How arcade to Amiga conversions should be.

[Toni Galvez]

Hi,

I made 3 videos, showing how arcade conversions to Amiga should be:

Gradius:
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Side Arms:
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Fairiland Story:
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I converted background to 16 colors and main sprites, bullets and something more to other 16 color palette.

[Predseda]

GREAT videos!!!

[dlfrsilver]

Side arms is in fact a 256 colors game

Rainbow Islands is using 32 colors only in arcade, i did some test a while ago

[demolition]

That 'original' port of Side Arms looks really horrible, almost unplayable..

[LieutLaww]

Seeing Gradius/Nemesis reminds me of playing it to death on my MSX. Konami did the best cartridge games for it in those days lol

[spud]

Originally Posted by Toni Galvez

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I converted background to 16 colors and main sprites, bullets and something more to other 16 color palette.

Funny to see this as I have been considering tackling a port of this for quite some time but have never found the time to explore it further due to other projects.

[Toni Galvez]

Imagine this Gradius on Amiga, what a wonderfull horizontal shooter, Amiga is capable of doing the game almost like pixel perfect.

[ovale]

Hi Toni,
how do you create these video?
You said you allocate 16 colors for BG and 16 colors for Sprites, how you obtain the 2 separate videos?

Thanks in advance!

[Gzegzolka]

I like the fact that amiga got also aga chipset and can display more colors so I do not understood why force ports to work only with 16 colors. I'm sure that games could work faster when there's smaller palette, but amiga games do tricks to have both great speed and audio/visual high level.

[Mrs Beanbag]

Originally Posted by Gzegzolka

I like the fact that amiga got also aga chipset and can display more colors so I do not understood why force ports to work only with 16 colors. I'm sure that games could work faster when there's smaller palette, but amiga games do tricks to have both great speed and audio/visual high level.

this is best when the game is designed with the Amiga in mind, conversions are always going to be a compromise on something.

also a pre-AGA arcade game should be converted to OCS, really.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

conversions are always going to be a compromise on something.

Pang is a noteworthy exception.

[dlfrsilver]

Pang use a routine which allows WAY more than 32 colors on screen. Pierre Adane used a trick for that. That's why the screen are as good as the coin-op original.

[WayneK]

Maybe I didn't watch far enough into the video, but Fairyland Story certainly looks ripe for conversion to Amiga without too many problems...

[Codetapper]

The Maptapper docs have a lot of screenshots from the game Pang demonstrating how it was done.

[dlfrsilver]

6 stripes of 16 color palettes, thanks to the copper That's what thierry told me about Pang. i guess that this technique could be employed in a side scrolling game too ? Allowing to have a lot more colors

[Toni Galvez]

First, look this Final Fight on 16 colors, all the ingame graphics with the same palette






First of all, I captured some pictures on the same level or levels in the game. The original graphics:

I extract the parts I supose to make with HW sprites, this is the background with the BOBs in 16 colors:

This is the HW sprites, another 16 colors:

This is all mixed:


For the video, I make the same conversion for Gradius, then I load the image in Promotion (a good graphics program), with the color palette, I can import the Avi I captured with Mame, then, the video will have 32 colors (in this case, all the graphics because I am not separated the HW sprites from the backgrounds).

[Toni Galvez]

I made the same with Rastan:
Original graphics:

16 colors backgrounds and BOBs

16 colors HW sprites:

Background+BOBs+HW sprites:


What do you think?

[DDNI]

I think the comparison of image 1 to image 4 is excellent!
Are you actually planning to create Amiga ports of any of these?

[Toni Galvez]

And, for Atari ST, 16 color Rastan

[DDNI]

Originally Posted by Toni Galvez

And, for Atari ST, 16 color Rastan
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