Commodore A1200 RevB no video output.

seuden · 19 February 2010, 00:58

As title suggests.

Received an A1200 today with 340MB HDD and 8MB expansion with 4MB installed. I've just tried it with my tv and both the composite and (I think due to not being able to tune) the rf are not giving me a signal. I now the TV's are fine as I have another A1200 which works. I've checked inside (after taking of that poxy metal casing) and found no visual/physical evidence of anything wrong ie capacitors or leakage. It's been kindly suggested by Photon that it could be the denise chip, is that definitely the case (not that I'm questioning Photons intelligence

) or is there anything else I can check or do that may have been missed?

fitzsteve · 19 February 2010, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by seuden

As title suggests.

Received an A1200 today with 340MB HDD and 8MB expansion with 4MB installed. I've just tried it with my tv and both the composite and (I think due to not being able to tune) the rf are not giving me a signal. I now the TV's are fine as I have another A1200 which works. I've checked inside (after taking of that poxy metal casing) and found no visual/physical evidence of anything wrong ie capacitors or leakage. It's been kindly suggested by Photon that it could be the denise chip, is that definitely the case (not that I'm questioning Photons intelligence

) or is there anything else I can check or do that may have been missed?

Does it work with the RGB output? My old A1200 stopped outputting video through the composite but the RGB still worked.

I know its not a fix but a workaround so you can at least use the Amiga.

Steve.

seuden · 19 February 2010, 01:28

I don't have an RGB lead

prowler · 19 February 2010, 01:31

I can let you have an A520 RGB to Composite and RF converter to test the RGB output with.

seuden · 19 February 2010, 09:42

Yes please prowler, how much?

prowler · 19 February 2010, 22:36

You don't have to buy it. You'd really get a much better display with an RBG to SCART lead.

I was thinking you could borrow my A520, just to test the Amiga's RGB output.

seuden · 20 February 2010, 09:43

Ah, if you don't mind that would be cool. Unless it's just easier for me to buy a RGB to scart lead?

fitzsteve · 20 February 2010, 12:20

Hi mate, an RGB Scart lead is well worth getting for the imporved picture quality over composite.

I just took some pics of the same WB Screen and Game on the same TV via the two different connections as a comparison, what the camera can't capture though is the increased flicker through composite

Anyway here ya go:

WB Composite

WB Scart

Game Composite

Game Scart

Steve.

edit... Hmm looking at the pics it doesent look to bad, but when you see the the two for real there is a huge improvment. (Look out for the shadowing on the composite)

cosmicfrog · 20 February 2010, 19:08

get a scart lead its loads better even if fitzsteve`s screens don`t show it, he should have done a few workbech pics for comparison

prowler · 20 February 2010, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by seuden

Ah, if you don't mind that would be cool. Unless it's just easier for me to buy a RGB to scart lead?

Hi seuden,

Steve's right. It really is best to get an RGB to SCART lead. It just gives so much extra definition to the picture.

But that won't be any good if you can't get any video output from your Amiga's RGB Monitor connector and that's where the A520 will come in handy to let you test it first.

Now, I seem to have been sent the A600/A1200 floppy drive that you bought from ck1200 and you have been sent the A500+ floppy drive that I bought from him. He got them muddled up before putting the address labels on.

So, if I sent you the A520 with your A600/A1200 floppy drive, perhaps you could sent me the A500+ floppy drive with the A520 when you've finished with it. How does that sound?

fitzsteve · 20 February 2010, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

get a scart lead its loads better even if fitzsteve`s screens don`t show it, he should have done a few workbech pics for comparison

You're right!

Here's a workbench comparison also:

Composite:

RGB Scart:

Steve.

Jope · 20 February 2010, 21:35

Blur and ghosting vs. no blur and ghosting.

Yet people still want to use composite and s-video and separate vga scalers..

Photon · 21 February 2010, 04:11

Just bought a pristine 1084S.

Just teasin ya

Certainly I suggest getting an RGB scart lead (and testing it on a RGB capable monitor!!). You won't get a better display, and there might be a chance that by connecting the 'unprocessed video output', you could get picture and any peripheral conversion like composite or RF wouldn't matter anymore.

If RGB output fails, I only see two options: Denise is bad or A1200 needs fixin'

But remember that you need to be sure your monitor accepts RGB, so connect your working A1200 to the monitor first to see that it does.

Did you test swapping the Denise in your working A1200 yet? Don't swap chips if the nondisplay A1200 doesn't seem to boot normally, ie doesn't boot from a known working floppy disk like a game or something.

seuden · 22 February 2010, 09:54

Thanks for the info guys.

That sounds like a plan prowler I'll pm you my address, thanks.

I'm sure the A1200 does boot normally, I'll double check tonight and if it does I'll try the denise out of my other A1200.

Thanks again peeps

prowler · 22 February 2010, 21:37

PM received and reply sent!

cosmicfrog · 22 February 2010, 22:11

just out of curiosity how are you takeing the denise out of my other A1200

seuden · 22 February 2010, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

just out of curiosity how are you takeing the denise out of my other A1200

I have no idea, that was going to be my other question.

fitzsteve · 22 February 2010, 22:43

I'd wait till you've tested the RGB output before you start pulling chips... You'll probably need a proper chip remover, Amigakit sell one.

cosmicfrog · 22 February 2010, 23:08

they are soldered on in an a1200

PowerPie5000 · 22 February 2010, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

they are soldered on in an a1200

They would be quite difficult to remove and even harder to re-solder if you lack soldering experience.

19 February 2010, 00:58	#1
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	Commodore A1200 RevB no video output. As title suggests. Received an A1200 today with 340MB HDD and 8MB expansion with 4MB installed. I've just tried it with my tv and both the composite and (I think due to not being able to tune) the rf are not giving me a signal. I now the TV's are fine as I have another A1200 which works. I've checked inside (after taking of that poxy metal casing) and found no visual/physical evidence of anything wrong ie capacitors or leakage. It's been kindly suggested by Photon that it could be the denise chip, is that definitely the case (not that I'm questioning Photons intelligence ) or is there anything else I can check or do that may have been missed?

22 February 2010, 22:43	#18
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	I'd wait till you've tested the RGB output before you start pulling chips... You'll probably need a proper chip remover, Amigakit sell one. Last edited by fitzsteve; 22 February 2010 at 23:05.

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19 February 2010, 01:28	#3
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	I don't have an RGB lead

19 February 2010, 01:31	#4
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	I can let you have an A520 RGB to Composite and RF converter to test the RGB output with.

19 February 2010, 09:42	#5
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	Yes please prowler, how much?

19 February 2010, 22:36	#6
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	You don't have to buy it. You'd really get a much better display with an RBG to SCART lead. I was thinking you could borrow my A520, just to test the Amiga's RGB output.

20 February 2010, 09:43	#7
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	Ah, if you don't mind that would be cool. Unless it's just easier for me to buy a RGB to scart lead?

20 February 2010, 12:20	#8
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Hi mate, an RGB Scart lead is well worth getting for the imporved picture quality over composite. I just took some pics of the same WB Screen and Game on the same TV via the two different connections as a comparison, what the camera can't capture though is the increased flicker through composite Anyway here ya go: WB Composite WB Scart Game Composite Game Scart Steve. edit... Hmm looking at the pics it doesent look to bad, but when you see the the two for real there is a huge improvment. (Look out for the shadowing on the composite)

20 February 2010, 19:08	#9
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	get a scart lead its loads better even if fitzsteve`s screens don`t show it, he should have done a few workbech pics for comparison

20 February 2010, 21:35	#12
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Blur and ghosting vs. no blur and ghosting. Yet people still want to use composite and s-video and separate vga scalers..

21 February 2010, 04:11	#13
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Just bought a pristine 1084S. Just teasin ya Certainly I suggest getting an RGB scart lead (and testing it on a RGB capable monitor!!). You won't get a better display, and there might be a chance that by connecting the 'unprocessed video output', you could get picture and any peripheral conversion like composite or RF wouldn't matter anymore. If RGB output fails, I only see two options: Denise is bad or A1200 needs fixin' But remember that you need to be sure your monitor accepts RGB, so connect your working A1200 to the monitor first to see that it does. Did you test swapping the Denise in your working A1200 yet? Don't swap chips if the nondisplay A1200 doesn't seem to boot normally, ie doesn't boot from a known working floppy disk like a game or something.

22 February 2010, 09:54	#14
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	Thanks for the info guys. That sounds like a plan prowler I'll pm you my address, thanks. I'm sure the A1200 does boot normally, I'll double check tonight and if it does I'll try the denise out of my other A1200. Thanks again peeps

22 February 2010, 21:37	#15
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	PM received and reply sent!

22 February 2010, 22:11	#16
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	just out of curiosity how are you takeing the denise out of my other A1200

22 February 2010, 23:08	#19
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	they are soldered on in an a1200

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