vice stretched image

[Nova]

anyone knows, which video option to set in vice 3.1 under linux, so to get a stretched image?

playing in fullscreen mode is possible (alt+d), but the black borders to the left and right are really anoying. it is even worse when playing in a maximized window (the mode i prefer), resulting in massive black borders on all sides.

[emufan]

you can try "no border" setting in the VIC II settings.
some demos or games may use the lighter border sometimes,
so not sure if it's usefull all the time.

[Retroplay]

Did you enable gnomeui3 by any chance ?
I just checked my install and sure enough it wouldn't stretch the screen in fullscreen mode.

Did a recompile of 3.1 with

./configure --enable-gnomeui --enable-shared-ffmpeg

and hardware scaling works again.
ffmpeg is not needed but nice to have for recording videos.

Screenshot from my Manjaro KDE setup

[Supamax]

Hi,
something I noticed (and continue noticing!) and pisses me off every time: could someone tell me WHY C64 emulators have the C64 colors so wrong?

A real C64 doesn't have those magenta/violet-like colors.
They are more cyan/blue, like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFg4OT...ZDNRh/$_57.JPG
http://www.breadbox64.com/wp-content...2/IMG_5570.jpg

[Nova]

@retroplay: ah, so i will have to compile on my own. i installed from the repo and that version is probably gtk3, missing the scaling + aspect options entirely. i wonder why gtk2 --enable-gnomeui needs to be choosen explicitly, so to have scaling options enabled?

i quickly skimmed through the jungle of additional commands. now i am not sure, which commands are default anyway. should i enable --fullscreen, --unicode, --with-uithreads and so on to have all the goodies included? if so, this is going to be a long list

[Jope]

Originally Posted by Supamax

Hi,
something I noticed (and continue noticing!) and pisses me off every time: could someone tell me WHY C64 emulators have the C64 colors so wrong?

Pepto's fault http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/2001/

http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/

[Retro-Nerd]

Yeah, the old Pepto palette was always wrong. At least he corrected this after so many years.

http://www.colodore.com/

[Retroplay]

Originally Posted by Nova

i quickly skimmed through the jungle of additional commands. now i am not sure, which commands are default anyway. should i enable --fullscreen, --unicode, --with-uithreads and so on to have all the goodies included? if so, this is going to be a long list

./configure --enable-gnomeui

is the only option needed, everything else is enabled as is, ie fullscreen and so on.
And as I said earlier,

--enable-shared-ffmpeg

or

--enable-static-ffmpeg

if you want to record videos.

Btw, if you enable sdlui instead of gnomeui, you'll be able to use custom resolutions, great for arcade-vga and cab setups.
(old screenshot from Win7, but applies to Linux sdlvice as well)

[Nova]

ok now, i think i figured it out.

the vice repo version is gtk3, but looking at help/info shows, that it has not been compiled with hwscaling support.

Enable arbitrary window scaling (HAVE_HWSCALE) - no

from what i have read, for gtk2 scaling to work properly, you need a dependency called gtkglext. with gtk3, it seems there is no pendant to it, so i dont know about alternatives.

the funny thing is, i already made sure that gtkglext installed, even though it is not listed as an optional dependency for vice, but compiling fails either with gtk2/gtk3:

./configure --enable-gnomeui --enable-fullscreen --with-uithreads
./configure --enable-gnomeui3 --enable-fullscreen --with-uithreads

configure: error: no suitable GL hardware scaling support found, disabling --with-uithreads

i also left out --with-uithreads, to see if it makes a difference. no, not at all.

now, it seems there is still a dependency missing?

this is freaking complicated and now i know why the repo left out scaling support


in the end, i might try sdl2, but i am not sure if this is the version to go, when gtk is your base anyways? apart from the ugly gui, will it be slower or have a bigger filesize?

[Retroplay]

Nope, sdl/sdl2 version is not slower, in fact it's what I prefer to use over the gtk version.
The configuration menu (F12) just blends in so nicely and it doesn't feel like you're using an emulator.

[emufan]

@Nova: did you test the option I was given above?
It does work her on a win7 machine, so it should have an effect on your linux box too.

[Nova]

@retroplay: thanks for the info. still, i hope someone has a tip regarding the gtk3 version

@emufan: yep, i already tried it, no success. all it does is to remove the light blue of the c64 screen.

[emufan]

Originally Posted by Nova

@retroplay: thanks for the info. still, i hope someone has a tip regarding the gtk3 version

@emufan: yep, i already tried it, no success. all it does is to remove the light blue of the c64 screen.

oh, ok. here on win7, it does remove the light border, but scales the blue center area to the top of the screen, fullscreenmode.

btw. take a look at Help -> Compile Time Feature.
maybe there are some things related to the issue, you may change when building.

here on win7 build:
no -> Enable Fullscreen support. (HAVE_FULLSCREEN)
no -> Enable arbitrary window scaling (HAVE_HWSCALE)

Originally Posted by Supamax

Hi,
something I noticed (and continue noticing!) and pisses me off every time: could someone tell me WHY C64 emulators have the C64 colors so wrong?

same here, changing VIC settings to NTSC, gives some different color,
but not the deep blue from the screenshots. using WinVice 3.1

#1) in the Video Setting -> VIC colors: you can choose from different palettes.
this does may give the desired colors - RGB and C64S settings you may try.

#2) they are using those vpl files: WinVICE-3.1-x64/C64/rgb.vpl

#3) btw. x64 version is much faster than x86: warp mode:
32 bit: 250 %
64 bit: 1050 %

[Nova]

@emufan: it makes no difference here, either in fullscreen or window mode.

i compiled sdl2 vice with success. scaling works.

but... gtk3 build is 30mb, sdl2 is 268mb. a c64 emulator.

are you being funny

[emufan]

Originally Posted by Nova

but... gtk3 build is 30mb, sdl2 is 268mb. a c64 emulator.

good news with sdl2.

hmm, that's a big one, try to strip the binary in the shell: strip vice.
maybe some configure setting, something like: --enable-shared-build or something like that.

[Retroplay]

Originally Posted by Nova

i compiled sdl2 vice with success. scaling works.

Didn't gtk2 version work with hardware scaling on your setup ?

Tbh I can't tell the difference between the two, the gui look exactly the same.

[Nova]

@emufan: yep, will try that, thanks.

@retroplay: no, the gtk3 version from the repo is compiled without hwscaling.

the gtk2/3 do not compile here, so i cant tell either


p.s.: if you tips for a leightweight sdl2 build right from the start, or on compiling a gtk(3) build incl scaling, please let me know!


i used this term for sdl2, though uithreads is not a feature of the build

./configure --enable-sdlui2 --with-sdlsound --enable-fullscreen --with-uithreads

[emufan]

Originally Posted by Nova

the gtk2/3 do not compile here, so i cant tell either

ensure you have installed the gtk2-dev and gtk3-dev packages
next to the default gtk2-lib, gtk3-lib packs (names may differ a bit).

[Nova]

these i have installed, thanks.

[Supamax]

(sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, but it's important to me)

Originally Posted by Jope

Pepto's fault http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/2001/
http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/

Yes, thanks, I know those webpages. I thought (in the past) that his palette was the right one... until I saw again a real C64
Glad to know I'm not alone!

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Yeah, the old Pepto palette was always wrong. At least he corrected this after so many years.
http://www.colodore.com/

Hmm, interesting... however I can only change brightness, contrast and saturation, not the color tonalities .
It still looks slightly wrong to me.
Was this webpage designed to modify and save a personalized/corrected palette? (EDIT: yes )

EDIT: wow, he made a very accurate work in the new webpage (colodore)!
I would suggest him to add the startup BASIC screen, so it would be possible to judge those two main colors well...