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Old 10 October 2018, 12:21   #221
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I just grab modules from the Modules ADF - silly me

Some seem to be missing there though, such as newer scsi.device
My Modules ADF had it on there. Sure it was in a subfolder though.
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Old 10 October 2018, 13:09   #222
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I just wonder why their not releasing them. What could be in the release notes that are worth hiding?
*sigh*....there is nothing to hide. But no day can pass on an Amiga forum without a new conspiracy

It's simply not that useful to present release notes with lots of entries like "increased WA_INNERWIDTH for new gadget", because users will waste lots of time sifting out the information they're really interested in.

Thomas is actually providing user readable changelog digests on two forums, one can be found here:

http://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=73694.0


But hey, I'm not expecting you to believe anything. The truth is out there, man!
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Old 10 October 2018, 13:18   #223
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Such information is actually quite useful, especially for those who do not have any intention in buying or developing on OS 3.1.4, but who develop software that end up being used with OS 3.1.4.

I don't see the point in "belittling" users and other developers by not providing all the gory details.

Do you want people to also learn, or just buy?
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Old 10 October 2018, 13:27   #224
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How large hard disks can be used with AmigaOS 3.1.4?
64GB, 128GB, 256GB??
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Old 10 October 2018, 14:29   #225
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*sigh*....there is nothing to hide. But no day can pass on an Amiga forum without a new conspiracy

It's simply not that useful to present release notes with lots of entries like "increased WA_INNERWIDTH for new gadget", because users will waste lots of time sifting out the information they're really interested in.

Thomas is actually providing user readable changelog digests on two forums, one can be found here:

http://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=73694.0


But hey, I'm not expecting you to believe anything. The truth is out there, man!
Djiises, what's your problem? I'm not presenting a damn conspiracy theory, I'm just asking a simple question. I have no idea what notes developers take during development, but I do know that when I'm presented with an expensive update I expect to be presented with a comprehensive changelog.

Douchbag.
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Old 10 October 2018, 14:37   #226
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How does the kickstart on the 3.1.4 package compares with the stand alone kickstart Hyperion released over a year ago?
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Old 10 October 2018, 14:39   #227
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H&P etc. released full release notes, it's the usual thing to do. If they are boring, people don't have to read them of course ;-)

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Old 10 October 2018, 14:46   #228
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My Modules ADF had it on there. Sure it was in a subfolder though.

I just realized I was probaby looking in the A500 Modules ADF, so my bummer
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Old 10 October 2018, 14:56   #229
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Douchbag.
Is that really necessary Overmann???

I think not... calm it down please.
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Old 10 October 2018, 15:00   #230
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Is that really necessary Overmann???

I think not... calm it down please.
No, completely unnecessary. I just felt it a fitting end to an unnecessary exchange. I'm calm now!
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Old 10 October 2018, 15:06   #231
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How does the kickstart on the 3.1.4 package compares with the stand alone kickstart Hyperion released over a year ago?

The old one is well understood and documented among users and developers after 25 years of experience, and sources are available. This new one just got out with myriads of unknown changes all over the place, lacks documentation, rights are disputed and sources are yet not available.

Some may consider this trolling, but that doesn't make it less true.
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The old one is well understood and documented among users and developers after 25 years of experience, and sources are available. This new one just got out with myriads of unknown changes all over the place, lacks documentation, rights are disputed and sources are yet not available.

Some may consider this trolling, but that doesn't make it less true.
I actually haven't thought of that before. It's a good point!
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Old 10 October 2018, 15:56   #233
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Thomas is actually providing user readable changelog digests on two forums, one can be found here:

http://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=73694.0

Problem: it currently covers exec.library, expansion.library, battclock.resource and utility.library ONLY. Don't get me wrong, I really like this OS update (even though I didn't fully integrate it with my custom installation yet - it seems stable so far and allowed me to get rid of several patches developed independently and not tested together) - but the documentation is... well, not the best one.
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Old 10 October 2018, 16:03   #234
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TagLiFE is not needed.
Shouldn't it rather say "incompatible, causes crashes"?
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Old 10 October 2018, 16:30   #235
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I feel bad I asked if there were any release notes now, I really didn't want it to turn into a bun fight.

For me, I am happy enough with that there are people with so much passion that they are doing all this upgrade work seemingly for no real money, and providing updates to AmigaOS after all this time after the 3.1 release.

So let's all be nice, otherwise those who have invested so much of their time may think twice if they get called names over very small matters.

We are very fortunate that there is finally some movement on updating the 3.x line. Yay
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Old 10 October 2018, 16:44   #236
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Shouldn't it rather say "incompatible, causes crashes"?
TagLiFE causes crashes? With 3.1 or 3.1.4?

I can't believe it and I also have doubt that any taglist related optimization like in TagLiFE is done in the new utility.library. But it's up to the user to decide whether he needs it or not, because you won't notice a visible speed boost.
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Old 10 October 2018, 16:46   #237
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I get tons of "light gurus", yellow alerts, "press mouse button to continue", with TagLiFE and 3.1.4.
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Old 10 October 2018, 17:07   #238
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Nothing, no Alerts here, not with 3.1.4 nor with 3.9+3.1.4. Check your startup-sequence.
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Old 10 October 2018, 17:36   #239
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No, completely unnecessary. I just felt it a fitting end to an unnecessary exchange. I'm calm now!
You're welcome - I'm always glad to be of service.
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Old 10 October 2018, 18:00   #240
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Douchbag.
Whilst I agree with you that not releasing the release notes makes no sense whatsoever, I don't think you should be abusing someone who was involved in making the first good version of AmigaOS since 1994.
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