Apollo 1240 accl. card - Page 3

fc.studio · 25 March 2007, 09:17

A1200 Rev. 1.D.1 running OS3.9, Blizzard 1230IV/50 Mhz 16MB installed NO MMU, 2,5" 1,4 GB Hard Disc, A500 PSU, LG CDRW (with case and its PSU), Modem 56k, PCMCIA with Compact Flash Adapter and various CF memory...

ALL is very stable.

Never used "2" key to disable Blizzard.

Zetr0 · 25 March 2007, 14:56

Anubis, before you tear your hair out,

what Kickstart are you using ?

I am assuming you have installed all the Apollo libs, drivers etc ?

Anubis · 25 March 2007, 16:33

It's regular A1200 kickstart (39.106)

I removed 2 capacitors after I found on the web that 1D.3 and 1D.4 had the same bug.

But now I'm sure that my Apollo card does not work. (now it does not even boot, before it would boot for 20-30 sec before freezes).

Erm, what libs, driver etc.?

I got card without any floppy.

Faerytale · 25 March 2007, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

It's regular A1200 kickstart (39.106)

I removed 2 capacitors after I found on the web that 1D.3 and 1D.4 had the same bug.

But now I'm sure that my Apollo card does not work. (now it does not even boot, before it would boot for 20-30 sec before freezes).

Erm, what libs, driver etc.?

I got card without any floppy.

its just not 2 capacitors you have to remove. You have to change 2 resistors aswell.

Its possible that the card is broken. I bought a 030 card once that just kept freezing and freezing all the time.
I couldnt fix it so i gave it away. He who has it now still havent been able to fix it.

Anubis · 25 March 2007, 18:27

According to all websites I found (and Alex mentioned early) those 2 resistors apply only to 1B.2 mobo. I have 1D.3.

Zetr0 · 25 March 2007, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

It's regular A1200 kickstart (39.106)

I removed 2 capacitors after I found on the web that 1D.3 and 1D.4 had the same bug.

But now I'm sure that my Apollo card does not work. (now it does not even boot, before it would boot for 20-30 sec before freezes).

Erm, what libs, driver etc.?

I got card without any floppy.

**Please hold the line while we try to connect you...**

you need updated libraries for workbench to work...

you need
http://www.l8r.net/install/accel/apollo060.DMS

but moreso
http://amiga.resource.cx/install/ApolloInstall-50.dms

even though its only an 040 it uses updated libs as does the 060 my friend.

you may have to install them under cli (boot no startup) or boot without the card and and update / install the 040 support!

hopefully this will sortout the problem your having without sending it off for repair.

Faerytale · 25 March 2007, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

According to all websites I found (and Alex mentioned early) those 2 resistors apply only to 1B.2 mobo. I have 1D.3.

Yes you are right. Its the 2B revision that needs the 2 resistors.

Anubis · 26 March 2007, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

**Please hold the line while we try to connect you...**

you need updated libraries for workbench to work...

you need
http://www.l8r.net/install/accel/apollo060.DMS

but moreso
http://amiga.resource.cx/install/ApolloInstall-50.dms

even though its only an 040 it uses updated libs as does the 060 my friend.

you may have to install them under cli (boot no startup) or boot without the card and and update / install the 040 support!

hopefully this will sortout the problem your having without sending it off for repair.

Thank you!

I will wait untill I get diff osc. I believe that 50 should work better and more stable then 64. At the moment I can't install anything with card in it and most of the times HD won't even boot.

Zetr0 · 26 March 2007, 16:05

fingers crossed buddy

Anubis · 27 March 2007, 03:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

fingers crossed buddy

Thanks!

I'll need some luck to get this going.

All I'm after is just more memoru to get WHDLoad going.

Felix · 29 March 2007, 14:38

Hi Everyone

I have a apollo 040, the problem I have with it, it dosen't always boot you just get the insert disk picture. a few resets later it will boot from the HD. Ive tried it on a couple of A1200 Motherboards and it has the same problem. Not booting first time or after a reset!

My other accelerator works fine

If anyone knows how to solve this problem Please Let me know

Anubis · 29 March 2007, 14:49

I wouldn't call that a probem - it is feature. (M$ talk

)

I believe that's bug for most Apollo cards. (someone mentioned that before)

Is there any DYS to add card enable/disable function?? I know that this card doesn't have blizzards 'press 2 to disable' option.

Felix · 29 March 2007, 15:39

Hi Anubis

I am not sure what DYS Stands for but there are a few jumpers on the Apollo 040 not sure what they all do theres 2 060 jumpers a scsi jumper and a RAM jumper and thats it

As for the 2 key disable option there isn't one that Im aware of on the apollo but could be wrong!

Zetr0 · 29 March 2007, 15:51

@Felix

The problem your having with "not booting from hard disk imediately on turn on" is actually a motherboard ide and hard disk timming issue. As the Hard Disk is taking longer to do its self diagnostic post by wich time the Amiga had gone past the IDE POST check.

there are a couple of ways arround this that dont involve you updating the hardware. but by far and wide the best method is to upgrade to OS3.5 as this has an extra wait (nearly 30 seconds) before intializing the IDE (so slooooow posting harddisk can get going before the amiga).

hope that helps..

Anubis · 29 March 2007, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix

Hi Anubis

I am not sure what DYS Stands for but there are a few jumpers on the Apollo 040 not sure what they all do theres 2 060 jumpers a scsi jumper and a RAM jumper and thats it

As for the 2 key disable option there isn't one that Im aware of on the apollo but could be wrong!

Hi Felix,

DYS - Do it Your Self

I know about jumpers. There is one that must be set (either 040 or 060), RAM to disable/enable installed ram, SCSI to disable/enable SCSI boot if SCSI is installed on the card (not in my case) and last one is only if you have 060 processor. (not sure why there is this second one)

@ Zetro - is this still issue with flash cards instead of HD?

Felix · 29 March 2007, 16:12

Hi Zetro

Thanks for your help but I have narrowed it down to be the accelerator. Due to these few reasons

1. It will not boot sometimes after a Warm reset with the HD fired up
2. all my Amigas boot no problem with my Blizzard 060
3. without any Accelerators just the HD installed it boots Fine
4. I have tried it with my OS3.5 installed Amiga and have the same not booting consistently Problem!

The only thing that’s common is the 040 Apollo and not booting

Thanks felix

ppill · 29 March 2007, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

DYS - Do it Your Self

Shouldn't it be DIY (Dii-Ai-Wai)?

ppill · 29 March 2007, 16:16

Disabling the RAM switch is basicly the same as switching the whole board off.

Anubis · 29 March 2007, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppill

Disabling the RAM switch is basicly the same as switching the whole board off.

Really??

Has anyone tried that?

Graham Humphrey · 29 March 2007, 19:10

I think I read somewhere once that an accelerator card without RAM actually slows down the computer, strangely enough.

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25 March 2007, 09:17	#41
fc.studio Cat lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: Italy Age: 54 Posts: 804	A1200 Rev. 1.D.1 running OS3.9, Blizzard 1230IV/50 Mhz 16MB installed NO MMU, 2,5" 1,4 GB Hard Disc, A500 PSU, LG CDRW (with case and its PSU), Modem 56k, PCMCIA with Compact Flash Adapter and various CF memory... ALL is very stable. Never used "2" key to disable Blizzard.

25 March 2007, 14:56	#42
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Anubis, before you tear your hair out, what Kickstart are you using ? I am assuming you have installed all the Apollo libs, drivers etc ?

25 March 2007, 16:33	#43
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,058	It's regular A1200 kickstart (39.106) I removed 2 capacitors after I found on the web that 1D.3 and 1D.4 had the same bug. But now I'm sure that my Apollo card does not work. (now it does not even boot, before it would boot for 20-30 sec before freezes). Erm, what libs, driver etc.? I got card without any floppy.

25 March 2007, 18:27	#45
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,058	According to all websites I found (and Alex mentioned early) those 2 resistors apply only to 1B.2 mobo. I have 1D.3.

26 March 2007, 16:05	#49
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	fingers crossed buddy

29 March 2007, 14:38	#51
Felix Music at its Best Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 42	Hi Everyone I have a apollo 040, the problem I have with it, it dosen't always boot you just get the insert disk picture. a few resets later it will boot from the HD. Ive tried it on a couple of A1200 Motherboards and it has the same problem. Not booting first time or after a reset! My other accelerator works fine If anyone knows how to solve this problem Please Let me know

29 March 2007, 14:49	#52
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,058	I wouldn't call that a probem - it is feature. (M$ talk ) I believe that's bug for most Apollo cards. (someone mentioned that before) Is there any DYS to add card enable/disable function?? I know that this card doesn't have blizzards 'press 2 to disable' option.

29 March 2007, 15:39	#53
Felix Music at its Best Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 42	Hi Anubis I am not sure what DYS Stands for but there are a few jumpers on the Apollo 040 not sure what they all do theres 2 060 jumpers a scsi jumper and a RAM jumper and thats it As for the 2 key disable option there isn't one that Im aware of on the apollo but could be wrong!

29 March 2007, 15:51	#54
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Felix The problem your having with "not booting from hard disk imediately on turn on" is actually a motherboard ide and hard disk timming issue. As the Hard Disk is taking longer to do its self diagnostic post by wich time the Amiga had gone past the IDE POST check. there are a couple of ways arround this that dont involve you updating the hardware. but by far and wide the best method is to upgrade to OS3.5 as this has an extra wait (nearly 30 seconds) before intializing the IDE (so slooooow posting harddisk can get going before the amiga). hope that helps..

29 March 2007, 16:12	#56
Felix Music at its Best Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 42	Hi Zetro Thanks for your help but I have narrowed it down to be the accelerator. Due to these few reasons 1. It will not boot sometimes after a Warm reset with the HD fired up 2. all my Amigas boot no problem with my Blizzard 060 3. without any Accelerators just the HD installed it boots Fine 4. I have tried it with my OS3.5 installed Amiga and have the same not booting consistently Problem! The only thing that’s common is the 040 Apollo and not booting Thanks felix

29 March 2007, 16:16	#58
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Disabling the RAM switch is basicly the same as switching the whole board off.

29 March 2007, 19:10	#60
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	I think I read somewhere once that an accelerator card without RAM actually slows down the computer, strangely enough.

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