Prometheus PCI & Voodoo 3 PCI GFX Card

Slayer · 28 August 2006, 11:58

Hopefully in the right section... please move if not...

okay, decided I needed another a4000

this particular one comes with a Prometheus PCI Board fitted with Voodoo 3 PCI GFX Card...

I'd like information about where I can get the last released P96 software for it (can you upload or direct me)

How I can check whether it is a bus problematic one or a more recent rendition (apparently it was purchased from redrumloa in August 2004

and what network card is the best to get for it? I want quality and reliability and supported driver would be good too

I currently have two a4000s plugged into a router both running airadne ii cards and sporting cybervision3D cards respectively... time one (should be the PPC but probably won't be at this stage) upgraded graphics and network capabilities...

I already know there is only 12 megs/sec between pci and zorro3 and that is more than fine... won't go out a buy a pci storage solution just yet to utilise the 120 meg/sec alternative...

thanks for listening and helping out and joining me in celebrating a4000 config number eight!

Zetr0 · 28 August 2006, 14:24

Congrats Slayer, a true a4k dedicate

Secret Vampire · 28 August 2006, 16:42

The drivers should be on matay.pl but they appear to have exceeded their bandwidth limit, IIRC this includes the p96 software, but I could be wrong.
Somewhere, I have the various Prometheus drivers which are AFAIK the latest versions, I can upload them to the zone (provided there would be no problems with me doing that, I'm not entirely sure what the rules are)

The only supported ethernet cards are ones based on the realtek rtl8029 chip, fortunately they're common and cheap. I can't say I've had any problems with mine, which is a generic one.

If the card came from redrumola, then it is in theory from the last production run, as he bought Matay's remaining stock.

lopos2000 · 28 August 2006, 17:52

I found two drivers on my AmigaActive CD for the promethus card.
One is the 3dfxvoodoo.chip and the other is Prometheus.card. I'll upload them to the 'Zone'.

Slayer · 29 August 2006, 07:01

shouldn't be any problems distributing drivers for hardware, if they are supposed to accompany the card in the first place... if there anything wrong I'm sure someone would have said something by now...

nothing gets past the watchful eye of EAB legal

soooo... Secret Vampire all up to you

thanks for the interest people and thanks for some physical information Lopos2000

DrBong · 29 August 2006, 07:46

@Slayer
I believe Picasso 96 V2.1B contains the latest drivers for the Prometheus. I don't think you'll find it on the Matay website because of a situation that arose with Elbox a few years back.

Slayer · 29 August 2006, 09:27

thanks DrBong I knew about this version just wondered if there was any later development by an individual etc...

anyone have any personal experience with the PCI and Voodoo3?

AMIGAZ · 29 August 2006, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBong

@Slayer
I believe Picasso 96 V2.1B contains the latest drivers for the Prometheus. I don't think you'll find it on the Matay website because of a situation that arose with Elbox a few years back.

And the latest Picasso96 rtg.library is in the AmigaOSXL Update1

http://www.haage-partner.de/download...XL-Update1.lha

Slayer · 29 August 2006, 11:54

nice addition there AMIGAZ

DrBong · 29 August 2006, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

And the latest Picasso96 rtg.library is in the AmigaOSXL Update1

http://www.haage-partner.de/download...XL-Update1.lha

This archive contains the same version of rtg.library that is already in Picasso 2.1B for the Prometheus card.

Secret Vampire · 29 August 2006, 14:49

OK, uploading as we speak, had to archive using tar and gzip, since I'm on a Mac and don't have a convenient LHA or zip archiver, you should be able to decompress on an Amiga anyway.

I have a Voodoo 3 in mine, but I haven't had much chance to play with it yet, waiting for my cyberstorm to arrive as that will require a reinstall of everything.

AMIGAZ · 29 August 2006, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBong

This archive contains the same version of rtg.library that is already in Picasso 2.1B for the Prometheus card.

The filesize is different my friend
Elbox gave me the tip about the newer version in the OSXL update

DrBong · 29 August 2006, 20:31

@AMIGAZ
Fair enough.....I was at work and only checked the version string (they didn't change it for the newer version). So what advantage, if any, does the newer version give? Improved stability? I gather Elbox recommended its use for the Mediator?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer

anyone have any personal experience with the PCI and Voodoo3?

Yeh I do using the Prometheus card (and soon Mediator with any luck). What is it specifically that you want to know?

AMIGAZ · 29 August 2006, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBong

@AMIGAZ
Fair enough.....I was at work and only checked the version string (they didn't change it for the newer version). So what advantage, if any, does the newer version give? Improved stability? I gather Elbox recommended its use for the Mediator?

Yeh I do using the Prometheus card (and soon Mediator with any luck). What is it specifically that you want to know?

Elbox recommended it in case I have troubles with the 2.1b, I actually had problems with the newest voodoo.card which i had replace with an older one to get correct 16bit screenmodes in games.
The newer P96 rtg.library actually solved some graphivs error I had in GLQuake

Slayer · 30 August 2006, 07:26

>OK, uploading as we speak, had to archive using tar and gzip,
>since I'm on a Mac and don't have a convenient LHA or zip
>archiver, you should be able to decompress on an Amiga anyway. I
>have a Voodoo 3 in mine, but I haven't had much chance to play
>with it yet, waiting for my cyberstorm to arrive as that will
>require a reinstall of everything.

thanks and the archiver is fine, I keep a full gnu installation.

keep me posted about the experience with the cyberstorm when you
have some time... at some stage I'll place the PCI/Voodoo into
my 604e 233mhz machine also...

>Yeh I do using the Prometheus card (and soon Mediator with any
>luck). What is it specifically that you want to know?

in conjunction with the PPC 604e 233mhz and running games like
hexen and other ports of that nature even wipeout for the Amiga
and using frogger for movies... would you say I'd get a vast
improvement over my cybervision64/3D?

any tips or problem solving or problems you have encountered
running anything through this setup?

initially the PCI and Voodoo will be in this machine... a simple
060 a4000d... with 128 megs memory...

thanks for any consideration

Slayer · 31 August 2006, 13:34

hmmm...

seems my card isn't bus mastering updated?

----->
OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan

Error to open openpci.library v2 or more
6.Ram Disk:OpenPciInfo1.5> openpciinfo
OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan

openpci.library v2.0 opened
Bus Prometheus detected

----------------------------------
Internal Configuration Space infos
VendorID : $121a
DeviceID : $3
ClassRevision : $00000000
PCI_REVISION_ID $01
Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus)
PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $0000
Command : $0001
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00
----------------------------------
Pci Device Slot Num : 0, Func Num : 0
Vendor : 3dfx Interactive Inc
Device : Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000
VendorID : $121a
DeviceID : $5
ClassCode: 0x030000
IRQNumber: 5
MemAddr0 : $5e000000 - $5fffffff 32768 kbytes
MemAddr1 : $5c000000 - $5dffffff 32768 kbytes
MemAddr2 : $400eff00 - $400effff 256 bytes
RomAddr : $5bff0000 - $5bffffff
RomSize : 65536 bytes 64 kbytes
No Bus Master Capable
Card PCI_STATUS
Doesn't support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus
Doesn't accept fast-back to back
What's Enabled in the Card ?
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
<-----

DrBong · 03 September 2006, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

Elbox recommended it in case I have troubles with the 2.1b, I actually had problems with the newest voodoo.card which i had replace with an older one to get correct 16bit screenmodes in games.
The newer P96 rtg.library actually solved some graphivs error I had in GLQuake

Good to know!

I've just bought a Mediator, so this info. will come in handy when it's set-up in the A4000T.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBong

Yeh I do using the Prometheus card (and soon Mediator with any luck). What is it specifically that you want to know?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer

in conjunction with the PPC 604e 233mhz and running games like hexen and other ports of that nature even wipeout for the Amiga
and using frogger for movies... would you say I'd get a vast
improvement over my cybervision64/3D?

any tips or problem solving or problems you have encountered
running anything through this setup?

Well, with PPC 604e 150mhz, Prometheus and Voodoo 3 I got quite a noticeable improvement in speed and/or fluency with things like GLQuake, Frogger and gfx/image processing apps compared with the Cybervision PPC gfx card (all the software mentioned has PPC support BTW; dunno what results you will get with just 060). I imagine you should see at least some improvement over Cybervision64/3D under PPC with most suitably supported software, but admittedly I haven't tested many games (Quake and Heretic 2 were the only PPC ones I've played using the Prometheus).

As for problems encountered, I can't say I really had many. I only had a Voodoo 3 card connected to the Prometheus (no bus master update). The P96 drivers I got from Matay didn't work out of the box when I bought the card from them, but the latest updated drivers did. WHDLoad mostly won't work with the Prometheus/Voodoo 3 combo (you'll often get black screens or just music when running patched games), but I had a non-PCI gfx card also installed and set up a dual boot partition for when I wanted to play WHD games. That was the only real downside to the Prometheus card for me.

Slayer · 04 September 2006, 02:13

thanks for that...

wonder if there is a place we can get our cards updated?

and yes, even on this machine I can play 24bit movies via frogger in noskip quite quick and smoothly indeed...

afterall slow motion sometimes is better than realtime

heh...

DrBong · 04 September 2006, 18:21

Matay may well still perform the upgrade free of charge (see FAQ). If so, Filip Dab-Mirowski is the man at Matay to email about this. Otherwise Redrumloa on Amiga.org might be worth asking.

Besides the FAQ, there is an old Prometheus mailing list on Yahoo groups that you might find interesting to read:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Prometheus/messages

Slayer · 05 September 2006, 07:21

interesting, shall check it out

thanks

28 August 2006, 11:58	#1
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	Prometheus PCI & Voodoo 3 PCI GFX Card Hopefully in the right section... please move if not... okay, decided I needed another a4000 this particular one comes with a Prometheus PCI Board fitted with Voodoo 3 PCI GFX Card... I'd like information about where I can get the last released P96 software for it (can you upload or direct me) How I can check whether it is a bus problematic one or a more recent rendition (apparently it was purchased from redrumloa in August 2004 and what network card is the best to get for it? I want quality and reliability and supported driver would be good too I currently have two a4000s plugged into a router both running airadne ii cards and sporting cybervision3D cards respectively... time one (should be the PPC but probably won't be at this stage) upgraded graphics and network capabilities... I already know there is only 12 megs/sec between pci and zorro3 and that is more than fine... won't go out a buy a pci storage solution just yet to utilise the 120 meg/sec alternative... thanks for listening and helping out and joining me in celebrating a4000 config number eight!

04 September 2006, 18:21	#19
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	Matay may well still perform the upgrade free of charge (see FAQ). If so, Filip Dab-Mirowski is the man at Matay to email about this. Otherwise Redrumloa on Amiga.org might be worth asking. Besides the FAQ, there is an old Prometheus mailing list on Yahoo groups that you might find interesting to read: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Prometheus/messages Last edited by DrBong; 07 September 2006 at 12:03.

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28 August 2006, 14:24	#2
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Congrats Slayer, a true a4k dedicate

28 August 2006, 16:42	#3
Secret Vampire Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Birmingham UK Age: 42 Posts: 214	The drivers should be on matay.pl but they appear to have exceeded their bandwidth limit, IIRC this includes the p96 software, but I could be wrong. Somewhere, I have the various Prometheus drivers which are AFAIK the latest versions, I can upload them to the zone (provided there would be no problems with me doing that, I'm not entirely sure what the rules are) The only supported ethernet cards are ones based on the realtek rtl8029 chip, fortunately they're common and cheap. I can't say I've had any problems with mine, which is a generic one. If the card came from redrumola, then it is in theory from the last production run, as he bought Matay's remaining stock.

28 August 2006, 17:52	#4
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	I found two drivers on my AmigaActive CD for the promethus card. One is the 3dfxvoodoo.chip and the other is Prometheus.card. I'll upload them to the 'Zone'.

29 August 2006, 07:01	#5
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	shouldn't be any problems distributing drivers for hardware, if they are supposed to accompany the card in the first place... if there anything wrong I'm sure someone would have said something by now... nothing gets past the watchful eye of EAB legal soooo... Secret Vampire all up to you thanks for the interest people and thanks for some physical information Lopos2000

29 August 2006, 07:46	#6
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	@Slayer I believe Picasso 96 V2.1B contains the latest drivers for the Prometheus. I don't think you'll find it on the Matay website because of a situation that arose with Elbox a few years back.

29 August 2006, 09:27	#7
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	thanks DrBong I knew about this version just wondered if there was any later development by an individual etc... anyone have any personal experience with the PCI and Voodoo3?

29 August 2006, 11:54	#9
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	nice addition there AMIGAZ

29 August 2006, 14:49	#11
Secret Vampire Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Birmingham UK Age: 42 Posts: 214	OK, uploading as we speak, had to archive using tar and gzip, since I'm on a Mac and don't have a convenient LHA or zip archiver, you should be able to decompress on an Amiga anyway. I have a Voodoo 3 in mine, but I haven't had much chance to play with it yet, waiting for my cyberstorm to arrive as that will require a reinstall of everything.

30 August 2006, 07:26	#15
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	>OK, uploading as we speak, had to archive using tar and gzip, >since I'm on a Mac and don't have a convenient LHA or zip >archiver, you should be able to decompress on an Amiga anyway. I >have a Voodoo 3 in mine, but I haven't had much chance to play >with it yet, waiting for my cyberstorm to arrive as that will >require a reinstall of everything. thanks and the archiver is fine, I keep a full gnu installation. keep me posted about the experience with the cyberstorm when you have some time... at some stage I'll place the PCI/Voodoo into my 604e 233mhz machine also... >Yeh I do using the Prometheus card (and soon Mediator with any >luck). What is it specifically that you want to know? in conjunction with the PPC 604e 233mhz and running games like hexen and other ports of that nature even wipeout for the Amiga and using frogger for movies... would you say I'd get a vast improvement over my cybervision64/3D? any tips or problem solving or problems you have encountered running anything through this setup? initially the PCI and Voodoo will be in this machine... a simple 060 a4000d... with 128 megs memory... thanks for any consideration

31 August 2006, 13:34	#16
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	hmmm... seems my card isn't bus mastering updated? -----> OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan Error to open openpci.library v2 or more 6.Ram Disk:OpenPciInfo1.5> openpciinfo OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan openpci.library v2.0 opened Bus Prometheus detected ---------------------------------- Internal Configuration Space infos VendorID : $121a DeviceID : $3 ClassRevision : $00000000 PCI_REVISION_ID $01 Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus) PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $0000 Command : $0001 I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00 ---------------------------------- Pci Device Slot Num : 0, Func Num : 0 Vendor : 3dfx Interactive Inc Device : Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000 VendorID : $121a DeviceID : $5 ClassCode: 0x030000 IRQNumber: 5 MemAddr0 : $5e000000 - $5fffffff 32768 kbytes MemAddr1 : $5c000000 - $5dffffff 32768 kbytes MemAddr2 : $400eff00 - $400effff 256 bytes RomAddr : $5bff0000 - $5bffffff RomSize : 65536 bytes 64 kbytes No Bus Master Capable Card PCI_STATUS Doesn't support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus Doesn't accept fast-back to back What's Enabled in the Card ? I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO <-----

04 September 2006, 02:13	#18
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	thanks for that... wonder if there is a place we can get our cards updated? and yes, even on this machine I can play 24bit movies via frogger in noskip quite quick and smoothly indeed... afterall slow motion sometimes is better than realtime heh...

05 September 2006, 07:21	#20
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	interesting, shall check it out thanks

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