EAB/Lemon Super League: Best games yet to be played

[john4p]

Since we've played some games multiple times already while a lot of classics and/or good games still haven't been touched here's a list for reference to help you find games for voting:


Addams Family, The
Alcatraz
Alfred Chicken
Alien³
Alien Breed Tower Assault
All Points Bulletin
Anarchy
Apano Sin
Apocalypse
Apprentice
Archer MacLean's Pool
Assassin
Atomic Robokid
Atomix
Base Jumpers
Battle Isle
Beach Volley
Blob
Blood Money
Bob's Bad Day
Brian the Lion
Bubba 'n' Stix
Bubble and Squeak
Cannon Fodder
Cannon Fodder 2
Captain Planet and the Planeteers
Car-Vup
Chambers of Shaolin
Chaos Engine 2
Chase HQ
Chase HQ II
Chicago 90
Chip's Challenge
Chuck Rock
Chuck Rock II - Son of Chuck
Civilization
Commando
Cool Spot
Desert Strike
Dizzy: Fantasy World
Dizzy: Magicland
Dizzy: Prince of the Yolkfolk
Dojo Dan
Doodlebug
Double Dragon
Double Dragon II
Dragon Strike
Dynamite Düx
Elf (Ocean)
Extase
F17 Challenge
Fantastic Dizzy
Flood
Fly Harder
Frenetic
Fuzzball
Galaga '92
Ghosts 'n Goblins
Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Global Gladiators
Globdule
Guardian
Gunbee F-99
Hard 'n' Heavy
Harlequin
History Line 1914-18
Hoi
Hole In One
Hostages
Hudson Hawk
Humans, The
Hunter
Impact!
Impossamole
International Karate
Ivan Stewart's Super Offroad
Jaguar XJ220
James Pond 3 - Operation Starfish
Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker
Jimmy's Fantastic Journey
Jupiter's Masterdrive
Karate Kid Part II, The
Karateka
Kick Off
Kick Off 2
Kid Chaos
Kid Gloves
Killing Game Show, The
Killing Machine
Leading Lap MPV
Lemmings 2 - The Tribes
Leonardo
Lethal Weapon
Lethal Xcess (quasi Wings of Death II)
Licence to Kill
Locomotion (Kingsoft)
Lollypop
Loopz
Marvin's Marvellous Adventure
Mega lo Mania
Mercs
Metal Law
Metal Masters
Micro Machines
Microcosm
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Motörhead
MYTH: History in the Making
Naughty Ones
Navy Seals
Nebulus
Nebulus II
New York Warriors
Nicky Boom
Ninja Mission
Ninja Warriors, The
Nuclear War
Ooops Up
Operation Thunderbolt
Ork
Oscar AGA
OutRun Europa
Overdrive
P.O.W.
Pegasus
Pierre Le Chef is… Out to Lunch
Pinball Mania
Pinball Prelude
Pipe Mania
Populous
Populous II
Power Drift
Powermonger
Prehistorik
Premiere
Prime Mover
Prophecy I: The Viking Child
Pushover
Putty
Putty Squad
Puzznic
Quik the Thunder Rabbit
Rampage
RoboCop
RoboCop II
RoboCop III
Rock 'n Roll
R-Type
Rubicon
Ruffian
Safari Guns
Second Samurai
Seek and Destroy
Shadow Warriors
Shanghai
Simulcra
Slackskin & Flint
Sly Spy: Secret Agent
Solomon's Key
Spy Who Loved Me, The
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Super Gem'Z
Super Space Invaders
Switchblade
Switchblade II
Sword of Sodan
Take 'Em Out
Targhan
Tearaway Thomas
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Test Drive
The Settlers
Titus the Fox
Top Gear 2
Traps 'n' Treasures
Troddlers
Tubular Worlds
Twinworld
Typhoon Thompson
Ugh!
Universal Warrior
Venus the Flytrap
Watchtower
Welltris
Wendetta 2175
Wheels On Fire
Wings of Death
Wings of Fury
Wiz 'n' Liz
Wonder Dog
Wonderboy in Monsterland
Woody's World
World Class Leader Board
Xenon
XP8
Zany Golf
Zoom
Z-Out



Feel free to add games (or remove titles if they aren't suitable for competition). The list will be updated with your input.

[Harry]

Some strategy games:
Mega Lo Mania
Populous 1 + 2
Powermonger

(I have not played MLM since a long time, and Powermonger looks good, although I have not played it yet)

Locomotion (Kingsoft)
Twinworld

[capehorn]

I think there's a question mark over how we would score Cannon Fodder.

A scoring system for Lionheart was suggested and accepted recently and it has been on the verge of being voted in a couple of times, hopefully it will make it sooner or later.

[john4p]

@Harry: Thanks for the games, updated the list. Wasn't sure about these strategy games. Good news that they work for competition (I think also Mega lo Mania should somehow work).

Originally Posted by capehorn

I think there's a question mark over how we would score Cannon Fodder.

How it should be scored is still open, but as Graham said: "Yes, we can work out a system for this if we ever need to!"
Pity about Jim Power though. :|

Originally Posted by capehorn

A scoring system for Lionheart was suggested and accepted recently and it has been on the verge of being voted in a couple of times, hopefully it will make it sooner or later.

Glad to hear this. Never got around to playing through this game.

[john4p]

Removed Lionheart, Benefactor and Zool 1. Also added some games suggested by Lemoners.

[linesmachine]

Mega Typhoon can come off, not that it matters. I find this list really useful for inspiration for playing games when I've got a few minutes spare, let alone the comp voting.

Still can't believe we haven't played a Cannon Fodder game yet...

[Graham Humphrey]

Somehow missed this thread...

Firstly, I think a list of games that can be voted for is a good idea, especially as we don't have as many well-known games to choose from as we normally do and some struggle to come up with suitable games. And there's quite a lot of stuff on that list (not all of them eligible, like Marble Madness, but it's not possible to check everything).

However, I think quality (especially in the context of the competition) is pretty subjective - I certainly wouldn't agree with a number of these - and lists like these shouldn't be an attempt to influence people with their votes. Even more so with a lot of the games at the top which are terrible ideas for competition games. Even if we can find a way to score them, I wouldn't take that as an endorsement of them.

[john4p]

Fair enough. Changed this into a single list with no ratings and removed Marble Madness + Mega Typhoon.

[linesmachine]

Only just remembered Archer Maclean's Pool. Should have put that in for the A round. Hopefully it might come up along with Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker. I'm a fan of both and I'm sure we could come up with an engaging play method.

[john4p]

The list continues to shrink: Alien Breed Special Edition '92, Arabian Nights, Golden Axe and Super Cars have been eradicated from it.

[linesmachine]

Originally Posted by john4p

The list continues to shrink: Alien Breed Special Edition '92, Arabian Nights, Golden Axe and Super Cars have been eradicated from it.

Still a big list though.

Thanks for keeping this up to date as I still look at it for voting and game inspiration generally...

[lifeschool]

I've only just seen the list. To be honest, most of the names look pretty boring, and games like Shadow Warriors and Hudson Hawk are either difficult or unfair.

It would take too long to list all the better games you missed, but here is the cut down list I have on my computer, perhaps a few of these titles you have missed?

04. Doodlebug (Robocod/Sonic)
05. Metal Law (Turrican 4)
06. Pinball Mania AGA (i.e. Pinball 4)
08. Prime Mover (Lotus on a bike)
10. Wiz and Liz
12. Indianapolis 500
13. F1 (i.e. Vroom 4)
14. Hunter (Action Mission)
15. Take Em Out (Gun/Target Shooter)
16. Dynamite Dux
18. James Pond 3 AGA
19. Oscar AGA
20. Mr Nutz
21. Cool Spot
22. Outrun Europa
24. Chuck Rock-
25. Captain Planet and the Planeteers
27. Alien 3
28. James Pond 1: Underwater Agent
29. Marvin's Marvellous Adventure AGA
30. Fuzzball
31. Ruffian (Jungle platformer)
32. Quik the Thunder Rabbit
33. Out To Lunch (i.e. Catch 'em)
34. Stardust
35. Ghouls and Ghosts
37. A.P.B.
38. Ivan Stewarts Super Offroad
39. Pegasus (Horizontal shooter/platform)
41. Nicky Boom
42. Beach Volley
43. Star Wars
45. Woody's World
46. Mean Arenas (Alien Breed vs Pacman)
47. Midnight Resistance
48. Switchblade 2
49. Impossamole
50. Tearaway Thomas
51. Putty
52. Power Drift
53. Desert Strike
54. Lethal Xcess (shooter)
55. Harlequin
56. Toki
57. Apocalypse
58. Bc Kid
60. Pipe Mania
62. Assassin
63. Global Gladiators
65. Venus the Flytrap
66. Chaos Engine 2
68. Sly Spy Secret Agent
69. Motorhead
70. Jimmys Fantastic Journey
72 F17 Challenge
73. Wonderdog
74. Zoom
75. Locomotion (Kingsoft)
76. Rampage
77. Blob
78. Zany Golf
79. Panza Kickboxing
80. Kid Gloves
81. Alfred Chicken
82. Saint Dragon
83. The Adams Family
84. Basejumpers
85. Simulcra
86. Adventures of Quik and Silva
88. Atomic Robokid
89. Lethal Weapon
90. Micro Machines
92. Premiere
93. Lollypop
94. Brian the Lion
98. Shanghai (Mah Jong)

I would also add:

DragonStrike
Panza Kick Boxing / Best of the Best
Battle Squadron
Slackskin and Flint
Wendetta
Exile
Apano Sin
Microcosm
Hole In One
Banshee
Warzone
Wings of Death
Quake
Safari Guns
XP8
Wheels On Fire
Killing Machine
Super Gem Z
Super Space Invaders
Leaderboard
Leading Lap MPV
Overdrive - Infacto
Frenetic
The Settlers
Top Gear 2

ah, what a surprise, these all happen to be the playguides I'm working on for Lemon Amiga

[john4p]

Originally Posted by lifeschool

I've only just seen the list. To be honest, most of the names look pretty boring[...]

Out of these games that you listed these 33 were already on my boring list:

Alfred Chicken
Alien 3
Apocalypse
BC Kid
Brian the Lion
Chuck Rock
Global Gladiators
Harlequin
Hunter
James Pond 1: Underwater Agent
James Pond 3 AGA
Lethal Weapon
Lethal Xcess
Locomotion (Kingsoft)
Marvin's Marvellous Adventure
Motörhead
Nicky Boom
Out To Lunch
Outrun Europa
Overdrive
Pegasus
Premiere
Prime Mover
Putty
Quik the Thunder Rabbit
Rampage
Saint Dragon
Star Wars
Switchblade 2
The Addams Family
Toki
Wings of Death
Wiz 'n' Liz



These games have already been played in the league:

Banshee
Battle Squadron
Mean Arenas
Midnight Resistance
Quik & Silva
Stardust
Warzone

And F1 is basically just a rerelease/reskin of Vroom.



Quake? Come on...



These games just look too bad:

All Points Bulletin
Apano Sin
Dynamite Düx
Frenetic
Ghouls and Ghosts <= Ghosts 'n Goblins which I've listed is far superior on Amiga
Impossamole
Kid Gloves
Killing Machine
Power Drift
Safari Guns
Slackskin & Flint
Wheels On Fire

Someone else would need to speak up for them.



But there still remain these 43 suitable games which I'll add to the list:

Assassin
Atomic Robokid
Base Jumpers
Beach Volley
Blob
Captain Planet and the Planeteers
Chaos Engine 2
Cool Spot
Desert Strike
Doodlebug
Dragon Strike
F17 Challenge
Fuzzball
Hole In One
Indianapolis 500
Ivan Stewart's Super Offroad
Jimmys Fantastic Journey
Leading Lap MPV
Lollypop
Metal Law
Micro Machines
Microcosm
Oscar AGA
Pinball Mania
Pipe Mania
Ruffian
Shanghai
Simulcra
Sly Spy: Secret Agent
Super Gem'Z
Super Space Invaders
Take 'Em Out
Tearaway Thomas
The Settlers
Top Gear 2
Venus the Flytrap
Wendetta 2175
Wonderdog
Woody's World
World Class Leader Board
XP8
Zany Golf
Zoom

Thanks for these.
Captain Planet is poor but I reckon you Brits have a lot of nostalgia for it due to them being "free" for you (Venus the Flytrap, too).



Yours truly will also add Loopz, Galaga '92 and Chambers of Shaolin (percentage scores for your character after going through all the chambers).



I like these three games you've listed:

Mr Nutz
Exile
Panza Kick Boxing / Best of the Best

But how should we score them?



edit: We now have 194 games on the list.

[lifeschool]

Hi John, thanks for going through the long list.

Adding games on your knowledge of those you refuse to add is no excuse. A suitable game is a suitable game, and there is nothing wrong with the games. Ghouls and ghosts is for me infinitely better than the insanely hard original game, and I can complete Ghouls pretty easily. So to say you cant add it just because this is your list and you have final say, is just like what Graham said about leading or misleading the vote. Some of the games like Safari Guns are excellent if you only spent the hours to play them like me. And calling a great SEU Apano Sin bad after never even trying it is an insult to Mega Typhoon and all the games you played thanks to playing unknowns.

I agree with your list of unsuitable games, although Exile has a score, the player would be playing until they get bored, or after 3 hours of timed gameplay, as I think there is also a timer in the game which counts up. I think exile is a doddle compared to scoring something like Mega Lo Mania, but we have played far harder scoring games.

[john4p]

Originally Posted by lifeschool

So to say you cant add it just because this is your list and you have final say, is just like what Graham said about leading or misleading the vote. Some of the games like Safari Guns are excellent if you only spent the hours to play them like me. And calling a great SEU Apano Sin bad after never even trying it is an insult to Mega Typhoon and all the games you played thanks to playing unknowns.

That's not my reasoning. I looked at the Lemon comments for these games and they were overwhelmingly negative that's why I excluded them.

But if you really invested that much time in testing them I'm just going to take your word for it and add them. Wheels on Fire looks eye-cancer inducing though.

edit: That makes 206 games on the list now. Enough for the next decade.

[lifeschool]

The list looks so much better now. I'm always remembering games which we never played but would be good, but 99.9% of the time I forget to write down the names. I think the last game I saw was Virocop, and speaking of which...

Some games from 2009 and 2010 are also back in play, including:

R14: Fire and Ice [link]
R13: Pac-Mania [link]
R12: Globdule & Gods [link]
R11: Uridium 2 [link]
R10: Super Hang-On [link]
R09: Skidmarks [link]
R08: Pinball Illusions & Virocop [link]
R07: Assassin SE [link]
R06: Nitro [link]
R05: Project-X SE [link]
R04: Tetris Pro & Atom Smasher [link]
R03: Qwak [link]
R02: Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 [link]
R01: Apidya [link]

[john4p]

^ Yes they are eligible again to be voted for. But in this thread I'll only list games that we've never played in the league.

[john4p]

Plenty of classics finally played this year for the first time: removed Paradroid 90, PGA Tour Golf, Saint Dragon, Toki and Zool 2 from the list.

[john4p]

Next classic scratched off the list. Now only Operation Starfish remains unplayed out of the JP-trilogy.

[john4p]

Four more classics removed from the list now: B.C. Kid, Fire Force, Indianapolis 500 and Jim Power. All have been great fun to play in the league!

Since we figured out how to make games like Shadow of the Beast work I've now also added Beast 2&3 and Targhan.

Titus the Fox (was already in the list) has no inbuilt score either but we can make it work the same way.