Amiga Kit Stocks Apollo Team Accelerators

[AlfaRomeo]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

Why does (lack of) FPU complaints has to pollute every single Vampire related discussion?

plus one for me, please....
and one for A1200 too

[demolition]

Originally Posted by Djole501

Because there is nothing else to complain about ?

I think that would be a good reason. Whether you like it or not, the Vampire is a major product for the Amiga so that also means that many people will have strong opinions about it.

[Jeeg]

On this kind of project, it's normal to wait but from the moment payment is made, it would be nice to have an estimated delivery date. I'm waiting since more than 2 months and check my status every day with hope. :-)

[Romanujan]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

Why does (lack of) FPU complaints has to pollute every single Vampire related discussion?

Because it is a serious drawback of this card, limiting the compatibility, and sometimes reducing the performance to less then 1/10 of the 68060 - https://blog.alb42.de/?s=%22to+fpu+or+not%22

[E-Penguin]

"Serious" for the tiny amount of software that relies on an FPU.
"Not an issue" for most people

The stock Amiga 500, 600 and 1200 also don't have an FPU. Is this a "serious drawback" for these machines?

[Mr.Flibble]

Storm in a teacup

[Romanujan]

Originally Posted by E-Penguin

"Serious" for the tiny amount of software that relies on an FPU.
"Not an issue" for most people

The stock Amiga 500, 600 and 1200 also don't have an FPU. Is this a "serious drawback" for these machines?

Yes - among several other things.

Besides, you are manipulating the facts. Lots of software which greatly benefits from Apollo Core power also greatly benefits from the FPU (or even require it).

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by Romanujan

Lots of software which greatly benefits from Apollo Core power also greatly benefits from the FPU (or even require it).

Please make a list. I am interested.

[E-Penguin]

I'm not manipulating anything; an FPU isn't a standard part of any Amiga other than a handful of box-box Amigas, which I wager isn't the machine that most people had at home in their youth.

I don't doubt that an FPU offers a speed boost for certain productivity software, but you can't really categorise it as a "serious" defect when most people will purely use the Vampire to play whdload games on their big LCD TV.

[Lord Aga]

Originally Posted by Akira

Please make a list. I am interested.

Me too. I'm contemplating whether to upgrade my 030 card with an FPU, so a knock-out list of FPU only/friendly software would really help.

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by E-Penguin

when most people will purely use the Vampire to play whdload games on their big LCD TV.

Anybody using Vampire just to do that should be shot, Vampire taken to be sold to someone that will use it, and given an ACA1221EC instead

[Kelv]

You are an evil, evil person, no one deserves that level of torture !!
That accelerator is on the Geneva conventions hit list!
( I own one, 8 meg is just not enough ram )

Originally Posted by Akira

Anybody using Vampire just to do that should be shot, Vampire taken to be sold to someone that will use it, and given an ACA1221EC instead

[Romanujan]

Originally Posted by Akira

Please make a list. I am interested.

What??? Where were you the last 25 years?

- nearly all 68040/68060 demos
- Mapparium
- probably most 3D software, like LightWave, Real3D, POV Ray
- a lot of other graphics software, like TVPaint, some versions of PersonalPaint
- many MP3 decoders
- several datatypes (especially JPEG)
- FFMPEG
- probably every single fractal generator (if someone cares)
- StormMesa, Wazp3D
- several games from Aminet, like tongits, supoker, Descent
- ...

[emufan]

i guess HSMathLibs is a good example.
many datatypes comes with a fpu version, image decoding for webbrowsers and things.

[Predseda]

Back to the very original topic:

Amigakit now states:

Stock Expected: Friday 30 June, 2017

We have a second small batch arriving this month- we are now taking pre-orders to fulfill this batch.

[utri007]

FPU is not importan for 68030 CPUs, but any software written to 68040 or 68060 assumes that there is a FPU.

The stock Amiga 500, 600 and 1200 also don't have an FPU. Is this a "serious drawback" for these machines?

Arquments like this makes me wonder :

- How many of us have just plain A500/600/1200 and if they are happy with them why they should buy Vampire?

Those who have 68030 acceleratos are propably happy with it, but we who have 68040/68060 acceleratos things looks different.

And sounds odly familiar from history, something like this :

The stock Amiga 500, 600 and 1200 also don't have an hard drive. Is this a "serious drawback" for these machines?

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by Romanujan

What??? Where were you the last 25 years?

- nearly all 68040/68060 demos
- Mapparium
- probably most 3D software, like LightWave, Real3D, POV Ray
- a lot of other graphics software, like TVPaint, some versions of PersonalPaint
- many MP3 decoders
- several datatypes (especially JPEG)
- FFMPEG
- probably every single fractal generator (if someone cares)
- StormMesa, Wazp3D
- several games from Aminet, like tongits, supoker, Descent
- ...

Is that it?
You can keep them.
Believe me I've been here.

Originally Posted by utri007

Arquments like this makes me wonder :
- How many of us have just plain A500/600/1200 and if they are happy with them why they should buy Vampire?

Exactly my thoughts

but we who have 68040/68060 acceleratos things looks different.

And here I mirror my question to you, "if you are happy with them why should you buy Vampire?"

I think the main issue is for those who wanted a 060 forever and think this is a way to finally afford and acquire something of similar or better power.
Those who have 060s better stick to their 060s, those who are happy with their Amiga setups should stick to their AMiga setups.

This is just when thinking of the Vampire as an Amiga add-on. Standalone is a completely different thing.

[emufan]

Originally Posted by Akira

Is that it?
You can keep them.
Believe me I've been here.

it's easy to dismiss others preferences - there were to few good apps for the amiga anyway.
those in the gfx domain which would benefit from a fpu can still be usefull today,
while some 10000s compatible games just give u another highscore - noone will notice.

i'm curious about the bulk of new productivity software done for the smp/ht apollo core.

[kolla]

Originally Posted by Akira

And here I mirror my question to you, "if you are happy with them why should you buy Vampire?"

Because the 060 cards are getting old and expensive to maintain and 060s are expensive to replace. The Apollo Core was supposed to fix this, but instead it introduces a new architecture.

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by emufan

while some 10000s compatible games just give u another highscore - noone will notice.

I'm not really dismissing preference, I'm just saying, that this is just like trying to make a go-kart race at F1 or something, or viceversa really!
Take this for what it is instead of trying to force it your way, especially because your way is not someone else's way and it apparently isn't, definitely, the developers' way.

Originally Posted by kolla

Because the 060 cards are getting old and expensive to maintain and 060s are expensive to replace.

I am assuming the case of someone with a healthy, working 060 setup. Are 060s so feeble that they break often? I didn't think it was that way.