Mc68000p10/12?

Tolismlf · 29 January 2005, 15:04

Lately i bought 2 coin op boards. The first has 3 CPUs: a Motorola MC68000P10, a Z8400B, and an MC68705R3P and the 2nd board has an 68000P12 but its not a Motorola. Could somebody tell me more about these CPUs? I mean frequences, etc and if i can change the MC68000 of my A500 with one of the above mentioned MC68K?

derSammler · 29 January 2005, 15:20

MC68000P10 -> 68000 with 10 MHz
MC68000P12 -> 68000 with 12 MHz
Z8400B -> That's a Zilog Z80B CPU as used in the C128 (6 MHz I would guess)
MC68705R3P -> This is a 8 bit microcontroller for I/O stuff.

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and if i can change the MC68000 of my A500 with one of the above mentioned MC68K?

Yes, but why do you want to do that ?

lloyd · 29 January 2005, 15:48

The Z80 CPU wasn't used in the C128 as far as I know, that used a 6502 variant as did the C64. I think it was the 6510. The Sam Coupe used the Z80B and the ZX Spectrum used a Z80A.

I would think you could change the CPU of your A500 as long as the one you replace it with is pin for pin compatible, but you won't get any extra speed unless you "perform a hard-hack". I seem to remember something on Aminet years ago about using a 68010 10MHz chip in a 500........

derSammler · 29 January 2005, 16:12

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Originally Posted by lloyd

The Z80 CPU wasn't used in the C128 as far as I know, that used a 6502 variant as did the C64.

The C128 has two CPUs. The Z80 CPU is used for the cp/m mode.

lloyd · 29 January 2005, 16:15

Really? Well I stand corrected, thanks for that dude!!

Syko · 30 January 2005, 00:18

68010 is pin compatible, but only give speed boost with certan s/w operations like loops. It is possible to get a 14MHz clock to double the speed of the 68000, but you need the 16MHz version, higest rated 010 was 12MHz, so you might get it to work if you slaped a heatsink on it to keep it cool... unfortunately some WB1.3 and older s/w will guru with the 010 without a s/w hack/patch to trap the routine

Amiga1992 · 30 January 2005, 02:28

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Originally Posted by lloyd

The Z80 CPU wasn't used in the C128 as far as I know, that used a 6502 variant as did the C64. I think it was the 6510.

As WindowKillers said regarding the Z80, and the 6502 "compatible" chip that used the C128 is the 8502. This one was used in some late C64s too (something that brought compatibility issues)

jmmijo · 30 January 2005, 02:33

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Originally Posted by Akira

As WindowKillers said regarding the Z80, and the 6502 "compatible" chip that used the C128 is the 8502. This one was used in some late C64s too (something that brought compatibility issues)

Just one more correction here Akira, the CPU used on the C128/C128-D was in fact the Mostek 8510 which was a 6502 compatible cpu

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Amiga1992 · 30 January 2005, 03:52

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Originally Posted by jmmijo

Just one more correction here Akira, the CPU used on the C128/C128-D was in fact the Mostek 8510 which was a 6502 compatible cpu

MORE info...

Absolutely right, I fucked up. Thanks!

Jope · 30 January 2005, 09:11

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Originally Posted by WindowsKiller

The C128 has two CPUs. The Z80 CPU is used for the cp/m mode.

It is also used for the very initial power on bus setups, etc..

The C-128 won't boot without the Z80. :-)

Miggy2TheMax · 31 January 2005, 04:17

I thought there was a 16Mhz 68000 for sure, the confusion with them was that their serial num was wierdly also along the lines of 68000P12 (anyone shed light on this one?). The 16Mhz 68000 were used in the Mac Classic so they definitely exist and are not an overclocked 12Mhz 68000. The Amiga 500 uses the 68000P8, so yes you should be able to exchange them. Just check to see if the P12 is a 16Mhz if so maybe you could try to carry out the 14Mhz hack on the Aminet. I tried it with a 12Mhz 68000 with no luck though.

gotta love playing with retro hardware

derSammler · 31 January 2005, 11:19

A 16 Mhz 68000 would have 68000P16 written on it, because the number after the P is the frequency.

Tolismlf · 31 January 2005, 15:40

Wrong, MC68000P12F is 16 Mhz

derSammler · 31 January 2005, 16:03

Not wrong. A normal 68000 CPU with 16 Mhz is a MC68000P16. There are MC68000P12F's as well which can work with 16 Mhz, but that's a different story...

alewis · 31 January 2005, 22:13

There was a 14 or 16Mhz 68000. Circa 1992/3, at the Amiga Format (?) show at Olympia, I bought an ICD AdSpeed, for the princely sum of about £5 (ask no questions, and I'll tell no lies, or rather bore y'all with another long story from yesteryear).

The AdSpeed was a double-clocked 68000, which gave about a 40% speed increase over a standard 68000 based Amiga. I thought I still had it in the B2000, but it aint there, although the external hard switch is (for switching it between 'normal' and 2x speed). Not sure when I got rid of that then, though as I think about it I seem to remember using that switch for many a thing, switching a 2mb SuperAgnes adaptor between 1mb and 2mb; the AdSpeed; an additional KS switcher (1.2, 1.3, and 2.0 KS).

zipper · 01 February 2005, 10:05

Not to forget the HC version with different form factor used in SupraTurbo 28 running at 28 MHz - and wild stories that somebody overclocked those to run at about 40 MHz....

Jope · 01 February 2005, 10:27

Was the Supra Turbo asynchronous?

An interesting hack, nevertheless. :-)

zipper · 01 February 2005, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Jope

Was the Supra Turbo asynchronous?

An interesting hack, nevertheless. :-)

I think it was synchronous and got the timing from the mobo - but that's just teasing somebody to hack it...

Found a comment here:
http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/v...post_id=258607

Miggy2TheMax · 02 February 2005, 01:43

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Originally Posted by WindowsKiller

Not wrong. A normal 68000 CPU with 16 Mhz is a MC68000P16. There are MC68000P12F's as well which can work with 16 Mhz, but that's a different story...

Great.. P16! Now I remember.. I opted for a P12 for the 14Mhz hack, because the P16 was hard to find (I tried the hack only a few years back) I guess it must not have been a P12F... hmmm might have to have another look at it

29 January 2005, 15:04	#1
Tolismlf Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 237	Mc68000p10/12? Lately i bought 2 coin op boards. The first has 3 CPUs: a Motorola MC68000P10, a Z8400B, and an MC68705R3P and the 2nd board has an 68000P12 but its not a Motorola. Could somebody tell me more about these CPUs? I mean frequences, etc and if i can change the MC68000 of my A500 with one of the above mentioned MC68K?

29 January 2005, 15:48	#3
lloyd Mehh :D Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, SW UK Age: 61 Posts: 242	The Z80 CPU wasn't used in the C128 as far as I know, that used a 6502 variant as did the C64. I think it was the 6510. The Sam Coupe used the Z80B and the ZX Spectrum used a Z80A. I would think you could change the CPU of your A500 as long as the one you replace it with is pin for pin compatible, but you won't get any extra speed unless you "perform a hard-hack". I seem to remember something on Aminet years ago about using a 68010 10MHz chip in a 500........

29 January 2005, 16:15	#5
lloyd Mehh :D Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, SW UK Age: 61 Posts: 242	Really? Well I stand corrected, thanks for that dude!!

30 January 2005, 00:18	#6
Syko Now got GSX750F :)) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Halifax UK Age: 59 Posts: 584	68010 is pin compatible, but only give speed boost with certan s/w operations like loops. It is possible to get a 14MHz clock to double the speed of the 68000, but you need the 16MHz version, higest rated 010 was 12MHz, so you might get it to work if you slaped a heatsink on it to keep it cool... unfortunately some WB1.3 and older s/w will guru with the 010 without a s/w hack/patch to trap the routine

31 January 2005, 04:17	#11
Miggy2TheMax Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Age: 45 Posts: 381	I thought there was a 16Mhz 68000 for sure, the confusion with them was that their serial num was wierdly also along the lines of 68000P12 (anyone shed light on this one?). The 16Mhz 68000 were used in the Mac Classic so they definitely exist and are not an overclocked 12Mhz 68000. The Amiga 500 uses the 68000P8, so yes you should be able to exchange them. Just check to see if the P12 is a 16Mhz if so maybe you could try to carry out the 14Mhz hack on the Aminet. I tried it with a 12Mhz 68000 with no luck though. gotta love playing with retro hardware

31 January 2005, 11:19	#12
derSammler Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,645	A 16 Mhz 68000 would have 68000P16 written on it, because the number after the P is the frequency.

31 January 2005, 15:40	#13
Tolismlf Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 237	Wrong, MC68000P12F is 16 Mhz

31 January 2005, 16:03	#14
derSammler Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,645	Not wrong. A normal 68000 CPU with 16 Mhz is a MC68000P16. There are MC68000P12F's as well which can work with 16 Mhz, but that's a different story...

31 January 2005, 22:13	#15
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 600	There was a 14 or 16Mhz 68000. Circa 1992/3, at the Amiga Format (?) show at Olympia, I bought an ICD AdSpeed, for the princely sum of about £5 (ask no questions, and I'll tell no lies, or rather bore y'all with another long story from yesteryear). The AdSpeed was a double-clocked 68000, which gave about a 40% speed increase over a standard 68000 based Amiga. I thought I still had it in the B2000, but it aint there, although the external hard switch is (for switching it between 'normal' and 2x speed). Not sure when I got rid of that then, though as I think about it I seem to remember using that switch for many a thing, switching a 2mb SuperAgnes adaptor between 1mb and 2mb; the AdSpeed; an additional KS switcher (1.2, 1.3, and 2.0 KS).

01 February 2005, 10:05	#16
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,837	Not to forget the HC version with different form factor used in SupraTurbo 28 running at 28 MHz - and wild stories that somebody overclocked those to run at about 40 MHz....

01 February 2005, 10:27	#17
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Was the Supra Turbo asynchronous? An interesting hack, nevertheless. :-)

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