db15 to db9 adapter... Playing Turrican with jump button :)

Mendel · 14 August 2013, 23:17

Just got this in and I´m super excited to finally be able to play Turrican very similarly to how I play Gunlord

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How come adapters like these aren´t mass produced at amiga etailers? This really makes a difference.

vroom6sri · 14 August 2013, 23:49

That's a very good point! If there was such an adapter that could make a fire button for jump AND turn a sega controller into a 2 fire button controller I'd have one!

Retro-Nerd · 14 August 2013, 23:57

Actually Turrican 1 and 2 jump mechanics are optimised for a stick. You can test it in WinUAE with a jump button. It doesn't work as good as you might think. Turrican 3 works perfectly though, designed as a console game.

Mendel · 15 August 2013, 01:11

Well, from my experience with the adapter today, I´m telling you the jump mechanics work really great with a button

I´ve recently played all 3 Amiga Turricans through using up to jump so I´m quite used to it really... and I still feel like button to jump is a definite improvement.

As for WinUAE, maybe you´re experiencing some kind of minor control lag? I don´t really use emulators.

Retro-Nerd · 15 August 2013, 01:21

Nope, it's not the input lag in emulators. You can see it clearly in your video clip with Turrican 2. There is a delayed and long jump after you've pressed your jump button. Exactly as it fits the steering of a joystick lever to achieve an up and right direction. Amiga/console games with a native designed extra jump button are mostly smoother and more responsive/faster.

That said some Amiga games indeed benefits from an extra jump button due to different jump mechanics.

Mendel · 15 August 2013, 02:06

It can either make a long jump if I keep pressing the button for long or it will make a little jump if I press it a little. If there is any delay, I think I´m not sensitive to it and to me it feels like using the button to jump is an improvement.

However, I have slowed down footage of both the high jump and a little jump (you can make various kinds of in-between jumps too), I´ll let others be the judge.

Half speed: [ Show youtube player ]

Really low speed and jerky: [ Show youtube player ]

Sometimes I wish I had a high speed camera

14 August 2013, 23:17	#1
Mendel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Kokkola/Finland Posts: 75	db15 to db9 adapter... Playing Turrican with jump button :) Just got this in and I´m super excited to finally be able to play Turrican very similarly to how I play Gunlord [ Show youtube player ] How come adapters like these aren´t mass produced at amiga etailers? This really makes a difference.

15 August 2013, 01:21	#5
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,446	Nope, it's not the input lag in emulators. You can see it clearly in your video clip with Turrican 2. There is a delayed and long jump after you've pressed your jump button. Exactly as it fits the steering of a joystick lever to achieve an up and right direction. Amiga/console games with a native designed extra jump button are mostly smoother and more responsive/faster. That said some Amiga games indeed benefits from an extra jump button due to different jump mechanics. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 15 August 2013 at 01:38.

15 August 2013, 02:06	#6
Mendel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Kokkola/Finland Posts: 75	It can either make a long jump if I keep pressing the button for long or it will make a little jump if I press it a little. If there is any delay, I think I´m not sensitive to it and to me it feels like using the button to jump is an improvement. However, I have slowed down footage of both the high jump and a little jump (you can make various kinds of in-between jumps too), I´ll let others be the judge. Half speed: [ Show youtube player ] Really low speed and jerky: [ Show youtube player ] Sometimes I wish I had a high speed camera Last edited by Mendel; 15 August 2013 at 02:12.

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14 August 2013, 23:49	#2
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	That's a very good point! If there was such an adapter that could make a fire button for jump AND turn a sega controller into a 2 fire button controller I'd have one!

14 August 2013, 23:57	#3
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,446	Actually Turrican 1 and 2 jump mechanics are optimised for a stick. You can test it in WinUAE with a jump button. It doesn't work as good as you might think. Turrican 3 works perfectly though, designed as a console game.

15 August 2013, 01:11	#4
Mendel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Kokkola/Finland Posts: 75	Well, from my experience with the adapter today, I´m telling you the jump mechanics work really great with a button I´ve recently played all 3 Amiga Turricans through using up to jump so I´m quite used to it really... and I still feel like button to jump is a definite improvement. As for WinUAE, maybe you´re experiencing some kind of minor control lag? I don´t really use emulators.

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