Issues with Pale Moon browser

wanderer · 14 March 2017, 13:24

It seems there are problems with the browser's native user agent string, which is currently (on my system):
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:3.0) Goanna/20170302 PaleMoon/27.1.2

For example, drop-down arrows are missing and categories like Quick Links are being un-grouped. I am guessing the lack of the "Gecko" or "Firefox" words are causing some confusion to the forum.

Switching to the browser's default "Gecko-compatibility" string below solves the issue, but reveals that some nasty user-agent sniffing is probably going on.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:3.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/20170302 PaleMoon/27.1.2

wanderer · 23 March 2017, 22:06

One possible cause, is an old issue of the Mobile_Detect PHP class, which confuses the website (EAB in this case) to think it's Goa mobile device instead of a desktop browser using the Goanna rendering engine.

Thus, a mobile version is served instead of the proper desktop one. This Mobile Detect bug has been solved for quite some time now.

Predseda · 23 March 2017, 22:21

Strange, it works normally for me with the latest Palemoon (updated itself today).

I use "Firefox Compatibility" option.

wanderer · 23 March 2017, 22:23

Yes, it works by default because the "Gecko compatibility" mode is set as the default (Options/Advanced/General). Try setting that to 'Native' and refresh the page.

Minuous · 24 March 2017, 06:24

It's working fine here. I don't see the option you mention in "Options/Advanced/General".

Predseda · 24 March 2017, 06:30

Yes, if i set Native, it does things you describe. But i do not see a reason why to disable FF compatibility.

wanderer · 24 March 2017, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

It's working fine here. I don't see the option you mention in "Options/Advanced/General".

See the attached image.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

Yes, if i set Native, it does things you describe. But i do not see a reason why to disable FF compatibility.

Yes, FF/Gecko modes work for now but it's mostly a principle thing. We are dangerously close to an exclusive Google/Microsoft-owned Web (even Firefox is losing ground to Chrome rapidly), so pretending to be a mainstream browser to make websites work instead of promoting a browser-independent Web, doesn't seem right. Also note that the FF-compatibility mode pretends to be an older Firefox version (not the latest) so that might cause you similar issues on other websites.

Predseda · 24 March 2017, 14:10

Palemoon has Mozilla core anyway.

wanderer · 24 March 2017, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

Palemoon has Mozilla core anyway.

Yes, but that was more true in the past. Now they are quite different browsers and soon, Firefox will only support the WebExtensions type of extensions. This will irreversibly make Firefox actually closer to Chrome than to... Firefox (the one we once knew).

Anyway, this is not just about Pale Moon but browser-sniffing in general, a practice that only hurts non-mainstream browsers. As an Amiga user, I'm overly sensitive about such things!

Predseda · 24 March 2017, 14:51

Please, could you confirm: look at this page and tell me if you see Advertisement box containing the Xenon 2 picture in Palemoon. I can not see it, while in other browsers I can.

wanderer · 24 March 2017, 14:59

It does not appear, but it will appear if you disable ad-blocking (it appears normally here when I disable uBlock Origin for Lemon Amiga). It's funny that the ad-blocker actually blocks an ad in this case, even though it shouldn't!

Predseda · 24 March 2017, 15:13

LOL!

I think I can fix it, problem is probably caused by the file name "advertisement_small.gif"

wanderer · 24 March 2017, 16:12

Wasn't there an 'Unsubscribe' option in the Thread Tools drop-down menu, when clicked while on a subscribed thread? I always see a subscribe option, both Pale Moon and IE.

prowler · 25 March 2017, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

Wasn't there an 'Unsubscribe' option in the Thread Tools drop-down menu, when clicked while on a subscribed thread? I always see a subscribe option, both Pale Moon and IE.

You can unsubscribe from threads using your Control Panel. Choose List Subscriptions under Subscribed Threads.

14 March 2017, 13:24	#1
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	Issues with Pale Moon browser It seems there are problems with the browser's native user agent string, which is currently (on my system): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:3.0) Goanna/20170302 PaleMoon/27.1.2 For example, drop-down arrows are missing and categories like Quick Links are being un-grouped. I am guessing the lack of the "Gecko" or "Firefox" words are causing some confusion to the forum. Switching to the browser's default "Gecko-compatibility" string below solves the issue, but reveals that some nasty user-agent sniffing is probably going on. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:3.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/20170302 PaleMoon/27.1.2 Attached Thumbnails

24 March 2017, 14:59	#11
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	It does not appear, but it will appear if you disable ad-blocking (it appears normally here when I disable uBlock Origin for Lemon Amiga). It's funny that the ad-blocker actually blocks an ad in this case, even though it shouldn't! Last edited by wanderer; 24 March 2017 at 15:27.

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23 March 2017, 22:06	#2
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	One possible cause, is an old issue of the Mobile_Detect PHP class, which confuses the website (EAB in this case) to think it's Goa mobile device instead of a desktop browser using the Goanna rendering engine. Thus, a mobile version is served instead of the proper desktop one. This Mobile Detect bug has been solved for quite some time now.

23 March 2017, 22:21	#3
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Strange, it works normally for me with the latest Palemoon (updated itself today). I use "Firefox Compatibility" option.

23 March 2017, 22:23	#4
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	Yes, it works by default because the "Gecko compatibility" mode is set as the default (Options/Advanced/General). Try setting that to 'Native' and refresh the page.

24 March 2017, 06:24	#5
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	It's working fine here. I don't see the option you mention in "Options/Advanced/General".

24 March 2017, 06:30	#6
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Yes, if i set Native, it does things you describe. But i do not see a reason why to disable FF compatibility.

24 March 2017, 14:10	#8
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Palemoon has Mozilla core anyway.

24 March 2017, 14:51	#10
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Please, could you confirm: look at this page and tell me if you see Advertisement box containing the Xenon 2 picture in Palemoon. I can not see it, while in other browsers I can.

24 March 2017, 15:13	#12
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	LOL! I think I can fix it, problem is probably caused by the file name "advertisement_small.gif"

24 March 2017, 16:12	#13
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	Wasn't there an 'Unsubscribe' option in the Thread Tools drop-down menu, when clicked while on a subscribed thread? I always see a subscribe option, both Pale Moon and IE.

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