SysInfo 4.0 - Page 2

Josh · 07 November 2012, 21:51

Better late than never!

Great work, many many thanks!!!!

Cheers Josh

Carlos Ace · 07 November 2012, 21:53

Cool !!!

Lord Aga · 07 November 2012, 21:53

Whoa, this is incredible !
Awesome work Geijer

supaduper · 07 November 2012, 22:13

Just looked at the history doc and yay he`s put identification of individual boards in there, so thanks again !

Geijer · 07 November 2012, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by supaduper

Just looked at the history doc and yay he`s put identification of individual boards in there, so thanks again !

Yes, Jens kindly provided me with a list of all his boards and pointed out how to improve those parts of SysInfo in future releases.

Please provide me with more unidentified boards!

TjLaZer · 07 November 2012, 23:34

Very nice, glad that this is being updated after all these years.

This has been the must have tool for the Amiga.

ma693541 · 07 November 2012, 23:56

Thanks for the great work on this utility.

dannyp1 · 08 November 2012, 02:34

Great Job!!! We have needed this for awhile. I was thinking about it not too long ago.

rkauer · 08 November 2012, 06:00

Awesome!

Thanks for the effort, Geijer!

Bamiga2002 · 08 November 2012, 06:09

SysInfo updated? I can't believe it!

Jawd · 08 November 2012, 08:02

Thanks for the update Geijer...
Alway nice to see that somebody continues to develop for our Amiga's.

HOL2001 · 08 November 2012, 08:09

LOL just yesterday evening I used this tool and thought to myself: "long time no update for that".
And now I read this topic. This is crazy!

So many thanks for the update!

stevsurv · 08 November 2012, 08:21

Excellent!

Predseda · 08 November 2012, 08:25

Schoenfeld · 08 November 2012, 08:57

There's a few minor things that I learned to do (or not to do) on Sysinfo:

- don't trust the MHz output. I highly depends on memory speed. I suggest to replace this routine by something that completely runs in the CPU cache and that runs way longer. Calculation should not be referenced against the chipset, but against the RTC if found.

- don't move the mouse while measuring HD speed. Full multitasking is still in place during measurement, and if you're moving the mouse, it takes up a lot of CPU time, reducing the measured value. No idea how to work around this.

- a full 68020 is shown as EC020, although some addresses that Sysinfo is displaying are way outside the 16MByte barrier. A more complete mirror-test of the memory space will be required here.

- EClk calculation is questionable, probably derived from the Agnus/Alice type found. EClk is generated from the chipset clock (it is chipset clock divided by 40). This can (most probably) only be calculated if an RTC is found, because that has it's own crystal that can serve as a reference. The differencies between board clocks are tiny, so only a crystal reference will give the required precision. You'll have to measure a 0.92% difference if you want to detect the PAL vs. NTSC frequency (28.63636MHz NTSC vs. 28.37516MHz PAL). Some computers have a 28.322MHz clock installed, challenging you to measure a 0,19% difference between correct PAL and "standard VGA crystal" that was commonly used as a replacement part by repair places. It might take several seconds for a measuring routine to gain the required precision.

- Sysinfo opens it's own screen (std. hires). While this is good for vendors of flickerfixers, it might be an idea to have it clone the screenmode that it was launched from - a similar option that Dopus4 has. This makes it compatible with the largest number of monitors, but adds challenges to performance calculation due to different chipmem access speeds. An easy workaround would be to switch off all chipset DMA for performance testing.

That should serve as a filler for a few long winter nights ;-)

Jens

Gilloo · 08 November 2012, 10:11

Welcome in the future !

JimNeray · 08 November 2012, 19:46

What's the fuck ?!!!!!!!!!?

I would like to know at how many people Nic Wilson gave permission to continue his work ...

Really bored to have wasted all that time for nothing ...

dlfrsilver · 08 November 2012, 20:01

Elle est bien bonne celle-là XD !

This is one is quite funny XD !

apex · 08 November 2012, 20:08

Fantastic work!!!

Anemos · 08 November 2012, 20:10

Great news!
thanks Geijer.

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07 November 2012, 21:51	#21
Josh Lord of Amiga-Manuals Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kassel / Germany Age: 53 Posts: 552	Better late than never! Great work, many many thanks!!!! Cheers Josh

07 November 2012, 21:53	#22
Carlos Ace Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lusitania Posts: 455	Cool !!!

07 November 2012, 21:53	#23
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Whoa, this is incredible ! Awesome work Geijer

07 November 2012, 22:13	#24
supaduper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Krypton Posts: 1,210	Just looked at the history doc and yay he`s put identification of individual boards in there, so thanks again !

07 November 2012, 23:34	#26
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Very nice, glad that this is being updated after all these years. This has been the must have tool for the Amiga.

07 November 2012, 23:56	#27
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	Thanks for the great work on this utility.

08 November 2012, 02:34	#28
dannyp1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 168	Great Job!!! We have needed this for awhile. I was thinking about it not too long ago.

08 November 2012, 06:00	#29
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Awesome! Thanks for the effort, Geijer!

08 November 2012, 06:09	#30
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	SysInfo updated? I can't believe it!

08 November 2012, 08:02	#31
Jawd Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 15	Thanks for the update Geijer... Alway nice to see that somebody continues to develop for our Amiga's.

08 November 2012, 08:21	#33
stevsurv Beta 1.666 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in 1985 Posts: 384	Excellent!

08 November 2012, 08:25	#34
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,537

08 November 2012, 08:09	#32
HOL2001 Amigamaniac Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neheim / Germany Age: 50 Posts: 564	LOL just yesterday evening I used this tool and thought to myself: "long time no update for that". And now I read this topic. This is crazy! So many thanks for the update!

08 November 2012, 08:57	#35
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 1,256	There's a few minor things that I learned to do (or not to do) on Sysinfo: - don't trust the MHz output. I highly depends on memory speed. I suggest to replace this routine by something that completely runs in the CPU cache and that runs way longer. Calculation should not be referenced against the chipset, but against the RTC if found. - don't move the mouse while measuring HD speed. Full multitasking is still in place during measurement, and if you're moving the mouse, it takes up a lot of CPU time, reducing the measured value. No idea how to work around this. - a full 68020 is shown as EC020, although some addresses that Sysinfo is displaying are way outside the 16MByte barrier. A more complete mirror-test of the memory space will be required here. - EClk calculation is questionable, probably derived from the Agnus/Alice type found. EClk is generated from the chipset clock (it is chipset clock divided by 40). This can (most probably) only be calculated if an RTC is found, because that has it's own crystal that can serve as a reference. The differencies between board clocks are tiny, so only a crystal reference will give the required precision. You'll have to measure a 0.92% difference if you want to detect the PAL vs. NTSC frequency (28.63636MHz NTSC vs. 28.37516MHz PAL). Some computers have a 28.322MHz clock installed, challenging you to measure a 0,19% difference between correct PAL and "standard VGA crystal" that was commonly used as a replacement part by repair places. It might take several seconds for a measuring routine to gain the required precision. - Sysinfo opens it's own screen (std. hires). While this is good for vendors of flickerfixers, it might be an idea to have it clone the screenmode that it was launched from - a similar option that Dopus4 has. This makes it compatible with the largest number of monitors, but adds challenges to performance calculation due to different chipmem access speeds. An easy workaround would be to switch off all chipset DMA for performance testing. That should serve as a filler for a few long winter nights ;-) Jens

08 November 2012, 10:11	#36
Gilloo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Grenoble, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France, Europe, Earth Posts: 287	Welcome in the future !

08 November 2012, 19:46	#37
JimNeray X-bEnCh addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: France Posts: 221	What's the fuck ?!!!!!!!!!? I would like to know at how many people Nic Wilson gave permission to continue his work ... Really bored to have wasted all that time for nothing ...

08 November 2012, 20:01	#38
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	Elle est bien bonne celle-là XD ! This is one is quite funny XD !

08 November 2012, 20:08	#39
apex Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Amigaplanet Posts: 645	Fantastic work!!!

08 November 2012, 20:10	#40
Anemos 70X7 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ἑλλάς Posts: 1,078	Great news! thanks Geijer.

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