Descent

dido · 16 July 2002, 18:48

Hi there,

I need two files of the commercial version of DESCENT 1,
they are .HOG and .PIG files, which should be at least
version 1.5 (or maybe 1.4).

Can anyone upload for me?

Thanks

Amiga1992 · 17 July 2002, 06:05

Isn't that a PC game? And if there is an Amiga version, I bet it is TOO NEW to be distributing any files of it around here.

rgen · 17 July 2002, 14:46

The company released the source code and somebody else converted it to the amiga. I can upload the files tomorrow.

Amiga1992 · 17 July 2002, 15:29

If the game is FREEWARE now, please do so. However, if there is a cubic inch of graayness in the game's situation ("vut it is considered as abandonware now" kind of stuff), please don't.

dido · 18 July 2002, 12:12

The DESCENT 1 source code is freeware.
The DESCENT 1 .hog and .pig files are classified as
abandonware. So could rgen upload these files?
(I need only versions 1.4 or 1.5... The only that works with
Amiga porting of DESCENT 1)

Fissuras · 18 July 2002, 14:45

If that is the case just do a google search on Descent and Abandonware.

rgen · 18 July 2002, 15:25

Okay I've uploaded the files. Join them and then extract.

I've looked at both the interplay and the parallax homepage and they only sell Descent 3 anymore.

Amiga1992 · 18 July 2002, 20:00

RCk, what to do? I only consider PC abandonware stuff that is 15+ years old, which Descent isnt.

Do what you think is right. I dont like those files.

Fissuras · 18 July 2002, 20:12

Quote:

Originally posted by rgen
Okay I've uploaded the files. Join them and then extract.

I've looked at both the interplay and the parallax homepage and they only sell Descent 3 anymore.

This is something I think you shouldn’t have done. I don’t think it is that bad to have those files here, as a few days ago we had Retroman uploading some Day of the Tentacle files. But you were asked by one of the Mods not to upload them. They are easly found on the net, so it wouldn’t be that hard to get, but you were warned those files were not that welcome here.

Shatterhand · 19 July 2002, 05:43

I thought that when the source code of a game goes freeware, the whole game would be freeware too.

Anyway, Rgen, just because you can't find the game being sold in the main site of the softwarehouse, it doesn't mean the game is "abandoned". For example, I believe you can still buy Super Stardust 96 for PC, or some really old Apogee games, even although they aren't on the homepage of its creators.

Completely off-topic

@Fissuras

I loved your personal text above your avatar

Amiga1992 · 19 July 2002, 05:55

PC abandonware is shitty because companies are still active. It's very different for other platforms. That's why I dont like it.

I didnt say "I dont want these files uploaded" directly, but I would have preferred for them not to be there. There are plenty of abandonware sites out there carrying these files, and I surely wouldn't want trouble at the EAB caused by fucking stupid PC softcos.

That's why I asked for RCK's opinion, he's got the final word about tehse subjects. RCk, where are you?

RCK · 19 July 2002, 13:54

The zone is only there for sharing old retro-gaming amiga stuff.
some exception can occurs, if you don't share illegal files.
(and descent / pc is not enough old)

Fissuras · 19 July 2002, 14:33

@Shatterhand: The source code may be freely available, but not the data files. That's what is usually written in those distribution licenses. You may give the source and binaries compiled from it, with whatever modification, but you cannot distribute the other files (data files) from the commercial version.

And if you like that text above my avatar, you may use it, as you also deserves! Give me a five! 5! 5! 5! 5! 5!

Amiga1992 · 19 July 2002, 20:10

I was right then. Thanks for the backup RCK

Can I, as supermod, delete files from the Zone ?

RCK · 19 July 2002, 21:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
I was right then. Thanks for the backup RCK
Can I, as supermod, delete files from the Zone ?

I don't have time to code this atm

(but it will be done in future)

rgen · 19 July 2002, 23:16

I had not only look at the main page but done a search and they only sell Descent 3.

Anyway if you think that only very old games should be uploaded I should not do that again.

Amiga1992 · 20 July 2002, 00:36

Quote:

Originally posted by RCK

I don't have time to code this atm
(but it will be done in future)

Dont worry RCK, I was just wondering.

rgen: it's ok, this point was a first timer now. I wasn't even sure about RCK's stance on it until now.

Shatterhand · 20 July 2002, 08:56

Hmm.. things are now clear to me too

5 5 5 5 5 yeaaaahh!!!

cv643d · 23 July 2002, 17:53

Just a note,
Amiga abandonware is tricky too, since companies might have went out off business but the software is still available from different stores. Here in Sweden we have 2 places to buy Amiga games from.

The best bet is to get everything you need off BTTR if you want to play it legal.

I have chatted with a guy on IRC who seriously thought spreading 8 to 12 year old Amiga games bad for the company and name Amiga and had as his part time hobby to report to Amiga wich sites had copies of games.

Amiga1992 · 23 July 2002, 19:58

Quote:

Originally posted by cv643d
I have chatted with a guy on IRC who seriously thought spreading 8 to 12 year old Amiga games bad for the company and name Amiga and had as his part time hobby to report to Amiga wich sites had copies of games.

What a wanker!

Anyway, my stance is not against distribution of these games, but in the PC area it gets trickier because the companies tend to be more active and tend to bother sites with abandonware a damn lot. A site like BTTR shows that ex-Amiga softcos are more keen to let their games be distributed for free.

16 July 2002, 18:48	#1
dido Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Villafranca (VR) Italy Age: 45 Posts: 22	Descent Hi there, I need two files of the commercial version of DESCENT 1, they are .HOG and .PIG files, which should be at least version 1.5 (or maybe 1.4). Can anyone upload for me? Thanks

19 July 2002, 13:54	#12
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	I'm here. The zone is only there for sharing old retro-gaming amiga stuff. some exception can occurs, if you don't share illegal files. (and descent / pc is not enough old)

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17 July 2002, 06:05	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	Isn't that a PC game? And if there is an Amiga version, I bet it is TOO NEW to be distributing any files of it around here.

17 July 2002, 14:46	#3
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 46 Posts: 190	The company released the source code and somebody else converted it to the amiga. I can upload the files tomorrow.

17 July 2002, 15:29	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	If the game is FREEWARE now, please do so. However, if there is a cubic inch of graayness in the game's situation ("vut it is considered as abandonware now" kind of stuff), please don't.

18 July 2002, 12:12	#5
dido Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Villafranca (VR) Italy Age: 45 Posts: 22	The DESCENT 1 source code is freeware. The DESCENT 1 .hog and .pig files are classified as abandonware. So could rgen upload these files? (I need only versions 1.4 or 1.5... The only that works with Amiga porting of DESCENT 1)

18 July 2002, 14:45	#6
Fissuras Old Luny Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brazil Age: 53 Posts: 574	If that is the case just do a google search on Descent and Abandonware.

18 July 2002, 15:25	#7
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 46 Posts: 190	Okay I've uploaded the files. Join them and then extract. I've looked at both the interplay and the parallax homepage and they only sell Descent 3 anymore.

18 July 2002, 20:00	#8
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	RCk, what to do? I only consider PC abandonware stuff that is 15+ years old, which Descent isnt. Do what you think is right. I dont like those files.

19 July 2002, 05:43	#10
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I thought that when the source code of a game goes freeware, the whole game would be freeware too. Anyway, Rgen, just because you can't find the game being sold in the main site of the softwarehouse, it doesn't mean the game is "abandoned". For example, I believe you can still buy Super Stardust 96 for PC, or some really old Apogee games, even although they aren't on the homepage of its creators. Completely off-topic @Fissuras I loved your personal text above your avatar

19 July 2002, 05:55	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	PC abandonware is shitty because companies are still active. It's very different for other platforms. That's why I dont like it. I didnt say "I dont want these files uploaded" directly, but I would have preferred for them not to be there. There are plenty of abandonware sites out there carrying these files, and I surely wouldn't want trouble at the EAB caused by fucking stupid PC softcos. That's why I asked for RCK's opinion, he's got the final word about tehse subjects. RCk, where are you?

19 July 2002, 14:33	#13
Fissuras Old Luny Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brazil Age: 53 Posts: 574	@Shatterhand: The source code may be freely available, but not the data files. That's what is usually written in those distribution licenses. You may give the source and binaries compiled from it, with whatever modification, but you cannot distribute the other files (data files) from the commercial version. And if you like that text above my avatar, you may use it, as you also deserves! Give me a five! 5! 5! 5! 5! 5!

19 July 2002, 20:10	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	I was right then. Thanks for the backup RCK Can I, as supermod, delete files from the Zone ?

19 July 2002, 23:16	#16
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 46 Posts: 190	I had not only look at the main page but done a search and they only sell Descent 3. Anyway if you think that only very old games should be uploaded I should not do that again.

20 July 2002, 08:56	#18
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Hmm.. things are now clear to me too 5 5 5 5 5 yeaaaahh!!!

23 July 2002, 17:53	#19
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	Just a note, Amiga abandonware is tricky too, since companies might have went out off business but the software is still available from different stores. Here in Sweden we have 2 places to buy Amiga games from. The best bet is to get everything you need off BTTR if you want to play it legal. I have chatted with a guy on IRC who seriously thought spreading 8 to 12 year old Amiga games bad for the company and name Amiga and had as his part time hobby to report to Amiga wich sites had copies of games.

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