Lionheart:the most wronged Amiga game ever - Page 7

tarr · 13 January 2021, 11:25

Lionheart was one of the greatest arcade games on the Amiga, maybe the greatest with Turrican II.

Gilbert · 13 January 2021, 17:05

I've probably answered this before but Beast 1 looked and sounded better than Lionheart. Lionheart looked like it was trying to do what Beast did but years later. Really good looking game but didn't have the impact Beast 1 had

Retro-Nerd · 13 January 2021, 19:40

Lionheart is lightyears ahead in gameplay mechanics, playability and level design, compared to Beast. Beast always felt 8bitish in that department. A style of substance issue, in typical Psygnosis style. Lionheart doesn't try to look and feel like Beast. It actually was a complete overhaul of their mediocre (you can maybe say crappy) Ghost Battle.

Anubis · 14 January 2021, 18:54

Holly cow, should have waited 2 months to post this exactly 15 years since last post.

Still did not change - Lionheart - one of best, if not the best Amiga platformer...

And it took this thread for me to figure out that I did not play it correctly and always ended up without Amulet @ end.

frikilokooo · 23 January 2021, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert

I've probably answered this before but Beast 1 looked and sounded better than Lionheart. Lionheart looked like it was trying to do what Beast did but years later. Really good looking game but didn't have the impact Beast 1 had

Beast 1 maybe was the precursor of the influencer Boris Vallejo's era: Agony, Unreal, Lionheart, Entity, etc.

rabidgerry · 23 January 2021, 11:54

Different tastes and all that, but I'm not sure I understand people saying it was too hard, repetitive, didn't like the controls, slow. I dunno what game isn't repetitive, particularly of this variety.

Anyways I had it on the 500 back in the day and I have resisted playing it until last week, and I got to level 3 easily without having played the game in 26 years! So I never dedicated enough time to it back in the day so I guess it's been added to the favourites in iGame and I'll start to play it more now which I am looking foward to.

Oh someone said way back it has no atmosphere, fuck me! With a soundtrack like that I dunno what it takes to provide atmosphere in games for you then. I personally had forgotten the music and that was something that blew me away a little once I started playing the game again. That's superb game music right there. Very dramatic and good atmospheric tones.

Dastardly · 23 January 2021, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert

I've probably answered this before but Beast 1 looked and sounded better than Lionheart. Lionheart looked like it was trying to do what Beast did but years later. Really good looking game but didn't have the impact Beast 1 had

I agree. On a purely visual level I think Beast is better looking than Lionheart. There's something about Nieborg's art style that doesn't appeal to me. I can see how talented he is, but I don't like it. The Lionheart character looks weird like a pound shop He-Man and his sword attack is far too short in distance. Lionheart is a better game overall though.

blade002 · 23 January 2021, 14:31

I'll keep it brief.

Lionheart: Many moves, phenomenal graphics, game play is pitched perfectly, music is unconventional Amiga wise and stylish (I love conventional too)

I respect that others don't like it but for me it's a great game

Macca · 27 January 2021, 11:05

It's a good game but there are much better. In my eyes it's a basic horizontal shooter with a few platforms thrown in.

SoTB is a completely different game and more around puzzle solving - that's not a great game either.

Turrican 2, on the other hand, is probably the best platformer shooter there is on the Amiga. Even the shoot-em-up in one of the levels was better than some side scrollers I've played.

M.

Retro1234 · 27 January 2021, 13:17

I like the level with the flying ship it reminds me of a snes game can't think of the name.

I don't know how I came to play this game because it doesn't really look like something I might play but I did enjoy SOB3, anyways if you have never played this then play it get use to the controls and enjoy.

Konrad · 27 January 2021, 13:32

My opinion:

Lionheart is graphics and soundwise one of the best platformers on Amiga.
I think it also has enough variety with the water rising level, flying with the dragon and such. Still I don't feel the wish to play this game until the end. I can't put my finger on it. I think the forest stretches too long for me until finally there's a scenery change. Not sure...

SOTB has great music, and the parallax scrolling on the planes blew me away when I first played the game. But other than that it lacks. With a handful of exceptions most character designs are very poor with next to no animation frames and bland colors. Backgrounds are okeyish, but also nothing special. But SOTB sets a nice, dark mood with the level design and monsters, and I think this helps overlooking the technical points.
Still, no replay value to me, as there's not much variety. Gets boring very fast.

Turrican 2 doesn't have graphics as good as Lionheart (from a quality point of you: partly repetitive assets, boring backgrounds especially the gradients), but still appealing.
Great level design, different weapons+powerups and a great soundtrack.

Turrican 2 clearly has the best replay value of the three games.
Second Lionheart
SOTB on third place (and even lower when we would include other platformers, but this would derail the thread too much.

dreadnought · 27 January 2021, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly

The Lionheart character looks weird like a pound shop He-Man and his sword attack is far too short in distance. Lionheart is a better game overall though.

I only played it briefly but hve similar feelings. If the swordplay was a little bit better and there was less precise platforming I'd like it much more. Still, I'd much, much rather play this game than SotB.

I don't get the OP though, why is this game supposed to be "wronged'? As in, "unappreciated"?

gimbal · 27 January 2021, 16:44

I'll say this in favor of Lionheart: it definitely got movement right, especially on slopes. It looks and feels so natural.

rsn8887 · 27 January 2021, 17:43

Leveldesign, graphics, gameplay, and sound in Lionheart is way (way) above any competition on Amiga. The level designs even change if you play on Hard mode compared to Normal mode!

Also, it can be finished on Normal rather easily with just a little practice, without cheat or savestates! So it is not too hard like many other Amiga games.

Most people who hate it don't want to invest the 15 minutes to learn and practice the controls.

Best Amiga game of all time, IMO.

Retro-Nerd · 27 January 2021, 18:21

Yeah, some really strange comments about one of the best Amiga games ever.

Gordon · 27 January 2021, 18:41

I love the controls. It reminds me of moonstone. I just wish you could save/have passwords as its too long and my hands get tired after 20minutes

gimbal · 27 January 2021, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

I love the controls. It reminds me of moonstone. I just wish you could save/have passwords as its too long and my hands get tired after 20minutes

That's where WinUAE saves your butt

Anubis · 28 January 2021, 15:20

This topic will make me play this gem again...

d4rk3lf · 14 March 2021, 11:45

For me, Ruff n' Tumble is the best A500 platformer.
I loved Lionheart back in the day when I discovered it. I was like "wait, this is a gem, and I never heard of it"? And indeed, nobody from my friends that had Amiga never mentioned it, and only decades later (on this forum) I discovered it was actually quite popular.

Shadow of the beast - only 3. part I adore.
But haven't spent much time on first 2 parts to judge.

Apart from above games. I really like Arabian Nights game, and I think it's very underrated platformer, because it's also one of the games, that you can easily say, it's an arcade quality game.

Torti-the-Smurf · 14 March 2021, 12:21

Best 16-Bit Amiga Game imho. I love evything about this game.

13 January 2021, 19:40	#123
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Lionheart is lightyears ahead in gameplay mechanics, playability and level design, compared to Beast. Beast always felt 8bitish in that department. A style of substance issue, in typical Psygnosis style. Lionheart doesn't try to look and feel like Beast. It actually was a complete overhaul of their mediocre (you can maybe say crappy) Ghost Battle. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 13 January 2021 at 19:53.

28 January 2021, 15:20	#138
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,059	This topic will make me play this gem again... Last edited by Anubis; 28 January 2021 at 17:19.

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13 January 2021, 11:25	#121
tarr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 181	Lionheart was one of the greatest arcade games on the Amiga, maybe the greatest with Turrican II.

13 January 2021, 17:05	#122
Gilbert Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 318	I've probably answered this before but Beast 1 looked and sounded better than Lionheart. Lionheart looked like it was trying to do what Beast did but years later. Really good looking game but didn't have the impact Beast 1 had

14 January 2021, 18:54	#124
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,059	Holly cow, should have waited 2 months to post this exactly 15 years since last post. Still did not change - Lionheart - one of best, if not the best Amiga platformer... And it took this thread for me to figure out that I did not play it correctly and always ended up without Amulet @ end.

23 January 2021, 11:54	#126
rabidgerry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,512	Different tastes and all that, but I'm not sure I understand people saying it was too hard, repetitive, didn't like the controls, slow. I dunno what game isn't repetitive, particularly of this variety. Anyways I had it on the 500 back in the day and I have resisted playing it until last week, and I got to level 3 easily without having played the game in 26 years! So I never dedicated enough time to it back in the day so I guess it's been added to the favourites in iGame and I'll start to play it more now which I am looking foward to. Oh someone said way back it has no atmosphere, fuck me! With a soundtrack like that I dunno what it takes to provide atmosphere in games for you then. I personally had forgotten the music and that was something that blew me away a little once I started playing the game again. That's superb game music right there. Very dramatic and good atmospheric tones.

23 January 2021, 14:31	#128
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	I'll keep it brief. Lionheart: Many moves, phenomenal graphics, game play is pitched perfectly, music is unconventional Amiga wise and stylish (I love conventional too) I respect that others don't like it but for me it's a great game

27 January 2021, 11:05	#129
Macca Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gloucester Posts: 697	It's a good game but there are much better. In my eyes it's a basic horizontal shooter with a few platforms thrown in. SoTB is a completely different game and more around puzzle solving - that's not a great game either. Turrican 2, on the other hand, is probably the best platformer shooter there is on the Amiga. Even the shoot-em-up in one of the levels was better than some side scrollers I've played. M.

27 January 2021, 13:17	#130
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	I like the level with the flying ship it reminds me of a snes game can't think of the name. I don't know how I came to play this game because it doesn't really look like something I might play but I did enjoy SOB3, anyways if you have never played this then play it get use to the controls and enjoy.

27 January 2021, 13:32	#131
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	My opinion: Lionheart is graphics and soundwise one of the best platformers on Amiga. I think it also has enough variety with the water rising level, flying with the dragon and such. Still I don't feel the wish to play this game until the end. I can't put my finger on it. I think the forest stretches too long for me until finally there's a scenery change. Not sure... SOTB has great music, and the parallax scrolling on the planes blew me away when I first played the game. But other than that it lacks. With a handful of exceptions most character designs are very poor with next to no animation frames and bland colors. Backgrounds are okeyish, but also nothing special. But SOTB sets a nice, dark mood with the level design and monsters, and I think this helps overlooking the technical points. Still, no replay value to me, as there's not much variety. Gets boring very fast. Turrican 2 doesn't have graphics as good as Lionheart (from a quality point of you: partly repetitive assets, boring backgrounds especially the gradients), but still appealing. Great level design, different weapons+powerups and a great soundtrack. Turrican 2 clearly has the best replay value of the three games. Second Lionheart SOTB on third place (and even lower when we would include other platformers, but this would derail the thread too much.

27 January 2021, 16:44	#133
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,914	I'll say this in favor of Lionheart: it definitely got movement right, especially on slopes. It looks and feels so natural.

27 January 2021, 17:43	#134
rsn8887 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,058	Leveldesign, graphics, gameplay, and sound in Lionheart is way (way) above any competition on Amiga. The level designs even change if you play on Hard mode compared to Normal mode! Also, it can be finished on Normal rather easily with just a little practice, without cheat or savestates! So it is not too hard like many other Amiga games. Most people who hate it don't want to invest the 15 minutes to learn and practice the controls. Best Amiga game of all time, IMO.

27 January 2021, 18:21	#135
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Yeah, some really strange comments about one of the best Amiga games ever.

27 January 2021, 18:41	#136
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I love the controls. It reminds me of moonstone. I just wish you could save/have passwords as its too long and my hands get tired after 20minutes

14 March 2021, 11:45	#139
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,645	For me, Ruff n' Tumble is the best A500 platformer. I loved Lionheart back in the day when I discovered it. I was like "wait, this is a gem, and I never heard of it"? And indeed, nobody from my friends that had Amiga never mentioned it, and only decades later (on this forum) I discovered it was actually quite popular. Shadow of the beast - only 3. part I adore. But haven't spent much time on first 2 parts to judge. Apart from above games. I really like Arabian Nights game, and I think it's very underrated platformer, because it's also one of the games, that you can easily say, it's an arcade quality game.

14 March 2021, 12:21	#140
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,058	Best 16-Bit Amiga Game imho. I love evything about this game.

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