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i doubt that providing proprietary paid for replacement for basic gui elemnets by yet another company does really cut it from a user perspective.
all that will be useless again the day amigakit and aeon will go out of business. creating crowdfunding for open replacement for most necessary reaction classes would be more sensible imho, would allow people to educate themselves and contribute, and would also allow to estimate the actual demand, instead of neccessity to justify a potentially unpopular product later on with the need to support the system and the developers. |
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I agree. A GUI needs to be standard and consistent but I fail to see how this goal is accomplished. It looks like we will now have AmigaOS 4 Reaction, AmigaOS 3.x + ClassACT, AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 Reaction and now AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 Reaction + A-EON Reaction. This is hell for programmers. If they want to proliferate Reaction, they should have one common code base for all which is in sync with features and versions. Judging from the statements here, A-EON may have bailed Hyperion out of bankruptcy without securing control. This is sad as it likely means they are really sympathetic to the 68k Amiga and are trying to reunite the Amiga but they aren't the smartest business types. The executives at Hyperion are very stubborn, anti-68k and unscrupulous. I'm afraid A-EON is not the white knight for the Amiga and Hyperion will keep driving nails in the Amiga coffin . |
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ReAction/ClassAct on OS3 is no longer developed, the source code is not available and has fallen behind a long way from the OS4 ReAction. So from that perspective, the OS3 ReAction it is a dead-end.
We need to build new applications for OS3 (not just 3.5/3.9) and as a consequence need building blocks to do that. These building blocks must be expandable into the future when we need additional functionality, so the only solution is to create our own set of gadgets and classes. The InfoWindow Class is a good example of where we have created a class that shares a common code base across both OS3 and OS4 |
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Why can't the AmigaOS 4 code be used for a backport? It should be much easier to comment out new methods requiring AmigaOS 4 functionality rather than recreating the whole gadget or class which is a huge waste of resources. This kind of OOP code is usually more dependent on parent classes than OS functionality anyway. Intuition may need an update as the gadgets and classes may depend on BOOPSI classes in intuition.library but there was no update past AmigaOS 3.1 (in ROM) for this. Quote:
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personally, id think it best, if amiga users were spared that kind of theatre again, that could be reserved exclusively for so called ng platforms, like os4. |
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if class act has fallen behind os4 implementation, then what you currently are doing is not catching up with amiga implementation, but creating another incompatible set of classes, only dedicated application will take advantage of. and such applications dont exist, except perhaps, what you propose with your "enhancement package". definitely it wont make difference for existing applications. |
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Zune is there for anyone who wants to contribute
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Following on from InfoWindow.class being ported over to OS3 this week, the application tool called InfoWindow has now been ported from OS4 to OS3. I am pleased to report it is working without problems, even in 4 colour screenmodes!
Here InfoWindow tool is used to display the "Read Me" documentation for the Enhancer Software - it provides tabs so user can easily browse through the documents: Last edited by amigakit.com; 09 June 2016 at 02:20. |
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Zune is the AROS version of MUI. I wouldn't think a 3 letter acronym could be copyrighted but they are playing it safe. MUI is prevalent enough that porting Zune back to AmigaOS and including it with the AmigaOS could be good.
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As usual on Amiga, you can be sure the reasons aren't technical.
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I don't see the point in backporting Zune. There is a MUI4 port for 68k, but hardly anyone is using it. MUI 3.8 has served the 68k market well, and whatever enhancements are necessary make better sense on a platform with the memory and CPU to spare for real enhancements. 68k is not such a platform.
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Exactly. Where is the glut of software that makes use of a new ClassAct or MUI going to come from? In the conservative 68k market, it makes sense to even steer clear of OS3.9 enhancements.
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Nice work.
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Probably A-eon-kit itself, so essentially you can first pay for the Toolkit to run their software.
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NetSurf uses Reaction and suffers from lack of features and bugs in AmigaOS 3 compared to AmigaOS 4. A few important software products like NetSurf may make a bigger difference than a large quantity of software products. A bigger standardized market (API here but also ISA and ABI) should attract more software developers as well. The FPGA hardware is expanding the 68k AmigaOS market faster than the PPC AmigaOS market (but they are not standardizing either). I keep talking about standards and nobody seems to understand me but the Amiga user base keeps splitting into more and more incompatible camps and so much development effort is wasted without standards. |
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