WinUAE Kaillera now officially discontinued

andreas · 02 July 2008, 23:52

Read this:

http://kaillera.abime.net

I assume not everyone of you has read this because the index page has been the same for ages. But the official statement of the author appears to be from this year's March!

Thus, WinUAE-Kaillera will grow old like Methusalem if Toni reaches v2.0 one day and this is still in pre-1.0 tree (0.8.xx).

The reasons given for discontinuing the project sound very weird to my ears, too. The author seems skilled, but not that well-off?!
It definitely sounds like a financial problem (probably unemployment?) that the author cannot afford a decent PC for development.

Easiest way would be to simply put a PayPal banner on the site, let people donate, and if this works out, new PC and ... new WinUAE-Kaillera!

Hungry Horace · 03 July 2008, 01:18

sad to hear

i very much doubt anyone else will take up a similar project either. despite the fact the people who use it seem to enjoy it, no developer seems to like the idea.

eLowar · 03 July 2008, 02:24

I'm in favor of a radically different approach. I still think a simple plug-in interface for WinUAE is the way to go, to keep things like this separate, so they can be updated or not, independently of WinUAE. But this has been proposed and rejected before, and since I don't intend to do any work on this, I haven't felt inclined to press the point.

What I had in mind is basically just a Kaillera plug-in registering a bunch of callback functions that are then called at the various required points in WinUAE's execution. Those hooks would hardly waste any cycles when no plug-ins are used (just a single check whether a pointer is NULL for example) and could be as simple as calling a linked list of functions in sequence at those points in the code. Note that this idea is based on an incomplete understanding of the changes that are actually necessary to patch Kaillera support into WinUAE.

Minuous · 03 July 2008, 11:36

Well, I'm not sure about full "Kaillera" support, but basic netplay support should be easy to implement in WinUAE, I have already implemented it in my own emulator.

It's a shame and rather selfish that source code for WinUAE-Kaillera wasn't released, that means no one else can update it, it would have to be rewritten from scratch. It's also a shame that V2 beta wasn't released, 7 years after the previous release one would imagine that it would have at least some of the improvements listed at the site.

Anubis · 13 August 2008, 17:24

I believe Toni said that he will implement net play in WinUAE. He was against kaillera approach, but suggested that there are other 'better' ways.

But as you can guess, it's not highest priority atm.

turrican3 · 03 January 2009, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

I believe Toni said that he will implement net play in WinUAE.

Toni, do you work on something like that, or perhaps one day ?

Hungry Horace · 03 January 2009, 17:37

no offence to Toni, i would rather see it implemented in e-uae so that it might become cross-platform. (although i suspect if it were added to winuae, some bright spark might move it across to e-uae later on)

I thought it had been well stated previously however that there were no developers interested in implementing this kind of feature?

Shoonay · 03 January 2009, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

there were no developers interested in implementing this kind of feature?

But... but... but... but... ... ... WHY?

The people want it, don't they?

TCD · 03 January 2009, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

The people want it, don't they?

It would be a great feature

Let's all cross our fingers that it will happen... someday

AmigaFriend · 03 January 2009, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

It would be a great feature

Let's all cross our fingers that it will happen... someday

Yes it is really an interesting feature. This way we could really do an EAB/Lemon head 2 head versus player in real time!

TCD · 03 January 2009, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by xpect

Yes it is really an interesting feature. This way we could really do an EAB/Lemon head 2 head versus player in real time!

It's only suitable for a few games, but yes that would be interesting

Hungry Horace · 03 January 2009, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

It's only suitable for a few games, but yes that would be interesting

a few?? you must mean the competition aspect, and not the feature right?!

Number of simultaneous players = 2
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=2 (777)

Number of simultaneous players = 3
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=3 (17)

Number of simultaneous players = 4
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=4 (81)

TCD · 03 January 2009, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

a few?? you must mean the competition aspect, and not the feature right?!

Yup, I was referring to the 'head 2 head versus player in real time' part for the Super League

For that even a 'UAETV' mode would be great

Shoonay · 03 January 2009, 18:48

Forgot the rest HH:

Number of simultaneous players = 5
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=5 (4)

Number of simultaneous players = 6
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=6 (4)

Number of simultaneous players = 7
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=7 (1)

Number of simultaneous players = 8
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=8 (4)

Toni Wilen · 04 January 2009, 13:21

I have already replied here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=26259 (and other threads)

I am simply not interested when there are much more interesting things to do, and this really isn't anything to do with Amiga, just some network stuff which is boring and annoying.

Bossner · 31 May 2012, 22:31

Too bad . I really like this emulator :/

lesta_smsc · 31 May 2012, 22:58

Look at FS-UAE - this is very fast and has Net Play

Foul · 01 June 2012, 12:45

and multi platform !

i'm using it in Linux ... very very nice

Thx to Tony and Frode

AmigaOnline · 01 June 2012, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossner

Too bad . I really like this emulator :/

I confirm that FS-UAE works like a charm

(offline & online)
In addition, it's a cross-platform emulator: Windows, Linux & Mac OS X are supported! (maybe more systems later)
If your computer is powerful enough, you can consider that WinUAE-Kaillera is history now. FS-UAE is the best choice today

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=63289

Playaveli · 08 September 2013, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaOnline

I confirm that FS-UAE works like a charm

(offline & online)
In addition, it's a cross-platform emulator: Windows, Linux & Mac OS X are supported! (maybe more systems later)
If your computer is powerful enough, you can consider that WinUAE-Kaillera is history now. FS-UAE is the best choice today

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=63289

fs-uae is really nice. Works very well, even online cross-platformed (tried with SWOS, Linux vs. MAC).
But it's still only a server-client for online play. And it's even more complicated to setup than winuaexp-kaillera.

Should be p2p, like the alternative for kaillera.
http://p2p.kaillera.ru/

02 July 2008, 23:52	#1
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	WinUAE Kaillera now officially discontinued Read this: http://kaillera.abime.net I assume not everyone of you has read this because the index page has been the same for ages. But the official statement of the author appears to be from this year's March! Thus, WinUAE-Kaillera will grow old like Methusalem if Toni reaches v2.0 one day and this is still in pre-1.0 tree (0.8.xx). The reasons given for discontinuing the project sound very weird to my ears, too. The author seems skilled, but not that well-off?! It definitely sounds like a financial problem (probably unemployment?) that the author cannot afford a decent PC for development. Easiest way would be to simply put a PayPal banner on the site, let people donate, and if this works out, new PC and ... new WinUAE-Kaillera!

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03 July 2008, 01:18	#2
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	sad to hear i very much doubt anyone else will take up a similar project either. despite the fact the people who use it seem to enjoy it, no developer seems to like the idea.

03 July 2008, 02:24	#3
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	I'm in favor of a radically different approach. I still think a simple plug-in interface for WinUAE is the way to go, to keep things like this separate, so they can be updated or not, independently of WinUAE. But this has been proposed and rejected before, and since I don't intend to do any work on this, I haven't felt inclined to press the point. What I had in mind is basically just a Kaillera plug-in registering a bunch of callback functions that are then called at the various required points in WinUAE's execution. Those hooks would hardly waste any cycles when no plug-ins are used (just a single check whether a pointer is NULL for example) and could be as simple as calling a linked list of functions in sequence at those points in the code. Note that this idea is based on an incomplete understanding of the changes that are actually necessary to patch Kaillera support into WinUAE.

03 July 2008, 11:36	#4
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,627	Well, I'm not sure about full "Kaillera" support, but basic netplay support should be easy to implement in WinUAE, I have already implemented it in my own emulator. It's a shame and rather selfish that source code for WinUAE-Kaillera wasn't released, that means no one else can update it, it would have to be rewritten from scratch. It's also a shame that V2 beta wasn't released, 7 years after the previous release one would imagine that it would have at least some of the improvements listed at the site.

13 August 2008, 17:24	#5
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,056	I believe Toni said that he will implement net play in WinUAE. He was against kaillera approach, but suggested that there are other 'better' ways. But as you can guess, it's not highest priority atm.

03 January 2009, 17:37	#7
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	no offence to Toni, i would rather see it implemented in e-uae so that it might become cross-platform. (although i suspect if it were added to winuae, some bright spark might move it across to e-uae later on) I thought it had been well stated previously however that there were no developers interested in implementing this kind of feature?

03 January 2009, 18:48	#14
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	Forgot the rest HH: Number of simultaneous players = 5 http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=5 (4) Number of simultaneous players = 6 http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=6 (4) Number of simultaneous players = 7 http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=7 (1) Number of simultaneous players = 8 http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_nb_player_sim=8 (4)

04 January 2009, 13:21	#15
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,494	I have already replied here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=26259 (and other threads) I am simply not interested when there are much more interesting things to do, and this really isn't anything to do with Amiga, just some network stuff which is boring and annoying.

31 May 2012, 22:31	#16
Bossner Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Amalur Posts: 20	Too bad . I really like this emulator :/

31 May 2012, 22:58	#17
lesta_smsc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,172	Look at FS-UAE - this is very fast and has Net Play

01 June 2012, 12:45	#18
Foul Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Perigueux/France Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	and multi platform ! i'm using it in Linux ... very very nice Thx to Tony and Frode

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