UAE + Hi-Toro + PPC Mac = Your Experiences?

Fingerlickin_B · 12 February 2009, 01:16

Hi all,

Hoping someone else may have had experience with a similar setup to mine, as it sucks...but I'm not sure if it really "should" suck

Here's what I've got:
G3 350mhz B&W PowerMac overclocked to 450mhz,
896mb RAM,
Mac OS X 10.4.11 freshly re-installed,
UAE for PPC (Drummond),
Hi-Toro.

An good example of just how bad/slow the emulation is would be Oh No, More Lemmings!
The lemmings move approximately 4-5 times slower than they should & the sound breaks up big-time.

So yeah, has anyone else tried a similar setup and did it suck like mine?

This is not a rant...I'm fully aware that it may just be a case of my hardware not being up to the task, but still would like to hear from anyone else who has tried

PZ.

prowler · 12 February 2009, 01:21

Hi Fingerz,

Have you seen this thread?
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=40968

I haven't tried it myself yet, but ElB seems to have made good progress with it...

prowler

Fingerlickin_B · 12 February 2009, 01:30

Thanks man, but just read that, just before you replied

It seems like a useful tutorial for beginners, but without sounding like a know-it-all (I'm actually a know-a-little

), I already knew what the tutorial outlines.

Thanks again though

PZ.

logix · 12 February 2009, 07:42

Hi,

I've recently tried it on a Mac-Mini (G4 / 1,4GHz / 1GB-RAM / MACOS-X 10.4.11)

I used the latest Versions of the Emulator and the Frontend
(E-UAE 0.8.29 WIP4 & Hi-Toro 0.5.2)

All I can say is that the G4 is on it's Limits for most normal Games.
But they are playable at nearly Full Speed.
Most Demos ran too slow. I tried 'State of the Art', 'Monoxide', 'World of Commodore' and some others.
Not much Joy to watch, even with Frameskip. AGA-Demos & Games are also very slow, obviosly.

So I guess a G3/450 is way to slow for this Emulator.

Logix

Amiga1992 · 12 February 2009, 15:00

Your G3 is not good enough for Amiga emulation.
I used E-UAE on my G4 (1.33Mhz) and it barely manages (to my liking).

DAmn shame we don't have a cool emu like WinUAE on Mac

prowler · 12 February 2009, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Your G3 is not good enough for Amiga emulation.
I used E-UAE on my G4 (1.33Mhz) and it barely manages (to my liking).

DAmn shame we don't have a cool emu like WinUAE on Mac

Hi Akira,

Is MaxUAE any better?

prowler

TCD · 12 February 2009, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Hi Akira,

Is MaxUAE any better?

prowler

http://www.maxuae.de/MaxUAE.html
Pretty much says it all

FOL · 12 February 2009, 21:18

Ask, Hungry horace, I know he has spent alot of time setting it up and using it on mac.

prowler · 12 February 2009, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

http://www.maxuae.de/MaxUAE.html
Pretty much says it all

It looks like it, TCD!

Fingerlickin_B · 13 February 2009, 00:26

I still have the MaxUAE package archived if anyone wants it.

However, it is no better than e-UAE

Thanks for the confirmation too Akira

, I suspected it was just my hardware being not good enough.

At least it runs Power64 perfectly

PZ.

Amiga1992 · 13 February 2009, 03:05

Well I do remember using the thing on my iBook G3 @ 700.. it was OK , but just for some workbench tasks.

he lack of JIT fucks it up for me.

TheCorfiot · 13 February 2009, 14:55

I gave up trying to configure & set it all up on my PPC Mac-Mini,

As averyone say's It's a pity as Amiga Emulation is one of the few platforms not supported properly on the MAC

TC

skateblind · 18 February 2009, 13:01

I was having loads of problems even get it to run. Now I am having trouble getting a directory working as a HD. I've had problems with other versions of UAE, but nothing like the Mac version of e-uae.

Hungry Horace · 18 February 2009, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Ask, Hungry horace, I know he has spent alot of time setting it up and using it on mac.

not so long setting up, lots of time using it

Intel 2.2 dualcore MacBook though, latest version of Hi-Toro working fine, fullspeed and everything.... PPC Macs i couldnt comment on.

skateblind · 21 February 2009, 04:01

If you are still having speed problems, then try these settings, they made my setup run a lot quicker.

kick rom 3.1
2mb chip ram
8mb fast ram(Not Z3)
No slow, Z3 Fast or RTG ram.
68020
8MB JIT - Indirect
Emulation speed should be MAX
AGA
Playfields collision
PAL mode

I hope that helps. The more you play around with settings, without restarting your computer, the slower it will get, so maybe give your Mac a restart if you have been at it a while. So keep trying all sorts of different options, then test with a game of your choice. Having the LEDs displayed helps judge exactly what is going on too.

Good luck and let us know how you get along.

Photon · 21 February 2009, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Your G3 is not good enough for Amiga emulation.
I used E-UAE on my G4 (1.33Mhz) and it barely manages (to my liking).

DAmn shame we don't have a cool emu like WinUAE on Mac

That kinda has to do with the performance of code of the individual emu also.

Fred the Fop · 21 February 2009, 21:29

Hey, I trid it on my 12" G4 Powerbook and could never get it to go under Tiger.
I bought this Intel iMac last year and it runs beautifully on it (running Leopard). I think it's a CPU issue and not a Tiger vs Leopard issue.

Samurai_Crow · 21 February 2009, 22:19

It is a JIT compiler issue. The JIT compiler is only enabled on Intel-based computers. PPC doesn't have a JIT compiler for EUAE yet.

skateblind · 22 February 2009, 00:22

I will obviously take your word for it

,but why does it not flag an error on my PPC Mac? I can use the full 8MB JIT and nothing goes wrong. I don't know if it actually does anything to the my emulation though, so it might not actually be working, but no errors or such like.

Samurai_Crow · 24 February 2009, 05:36

Hi skateblind,

I think all versions of EUAE use the same configuration files whether they support all of the features or not.

12 February 2009, 01:16	#1
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,242	UAE + Hi-Toro + PPC Mac = Your Experiences? Hi all, Hoping someone else may have had experience with a similar setup to mine, as it sucks...but I'm not sure if it really "should" suck Here's what I've got: G3 350mhz B&W PowerMac overclocked to 450mhz, 896mb RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11 freshly re-installed, UAE for PPC (Drummond), Hi-Toro. An good example of just how bad/slow the emulation is would be Oh No, More Lemmings! The lemmings move approximately 4-5 times slower than they should & the sound breaks up big-time. So yeah, has anyone else tried a similar setup and did it suck like mine? This is not a rant...I'm fully aware that it may just be a case of my hardware not being up to the task, but still would like to hear from anyone else who has tried PZ.

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12 February 2009, 01:21	#2
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Hi Fingerz, Have you seen this thread? http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=40968 I haven't tried it myself yet, but ElB seems to have made good progress with it... prowler

12 February 2009, 01:30	#3
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,242	Thanks man, but just read that, just before you replied It seems like a useful tutorial for beginners, but without sounding like a know-it-all (I'm actually a know-a-little ), I already knew what the tutorial outlines. Thanks again though PZ.

12 February 2009, 07:42	#4
logix Guru Meditation Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 75	Hi, I've recently tried it on a Mac-Mini (G4 / 1,4GHz / 1GB-RAM / MACOS-X 10.4.11) I used the latest Versions of the Emulator and the Frontend (E-UAE 0.8.29 WIP4 & Hi-Toro 0.5.2) All I can say is that the G4 is on it's Limits for most normal Games. But they are playable at nearly Full Speed. Most Demos ran too slow. I tried 'State of the Art', 'Monoxide', 'World of Commodore' and some others. Not much Joy to watch, even with Frameskip. AGA-Demos & Games are also very slow, obviosly. So I guess a G3/450 is way to slow for this Emulator. Logix

12 February 2009, 15:00	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Your G3 is not good enough for Amiga emulation. I used E-UAE on my G4 (1.33Mhz) and it barely manages (to my liking). DAmn shame we don't have a cool emu like WinUAE on Mac

12 February 2009, 21:18	#8
FOL PSPUAE DEV Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wales / UK Age: 45 Posts: 6,017	Ask, Hungry horace, I know he has spent alot of time setting it up and using it on mac.

13 February 2009, 00:26	#10
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,242	I still have the MaxUAE package archived if anyone wants it. However, it is no better than e-UAE Thanks for the confirmation too Akira , I suspected it was just my hardware being not good enough. At least it runs Power64 perfectly PZ.

13 February 2009, 03:05	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Well I do remember using the thing on my iBook G3 @ 700.. it was OK , but just for some workbench tasks. he lack of JIT fucks it up for me.

13 February 2009, 14:55	#12
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,302	I gave up trying to configure & set it all up on my PPC Mac-Mini, As averyone say's It's a pity as Amiga Emulation is one of the few platforms not supported properly on the MAC TC

18 February 2009, 13:01	#13
skateblind Village Idiot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: UK, England Age: 38 Posts: 580	I was having loads of problems even get it to run. Now I am having trouble getting a directory working as a HD. I've had problems with other versions of UAE, but nothing like the Mac version of e-uae.

21 February 2009, 04:01	#15
skateblind Village Idiot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: UK, England Age: 38 Posts: 580	If you are still having speed problems, then try these settings, they made my setup run a lot quicker. kick rom 3.1 2mb chip ram 8mb fast ram(Not Z3) No slow, Z3 Fast or RTG ram. 68020 8MB JIT - Indirect Emulation speed should be MAX AGA Playfields collision PAL mode I hope that helps. The more you play around with settings, without restarting your computer, the slower it will get, so maybe give your Mac a restart if you have been at it a while. So keep trying all sorts of different options, then test with a game of your choice. Having the LEDs displayed helps judge exactly what is going on too. Good luck and let us know how you get along.

21 February 2009, 21:29	#17
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Hey, I trid it on my 12" G4 Powerbook and could never get it to go under Tiger. I bought this Intel iMac last year and it runs beautifully on it (running Leopard). I think it's a CPU issue and not a Tiger vs Leopard issue.

21 February 2009, 22:19	#18
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,188	It is a JIT compiler issue. The JIT compiler is only enabled on Intel-based computers. PPC doesn't have a JIT compiler for EUAE yet.

22 February 2009, 00:22	#19
skateblind Village Idiot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: UK, England Age: 38 Posts: 580	I will obviously take your word for it ,but why does it not flag an error on my PPC Mac? I can use the full 8MB JIT and nothing goes wrong. I don't know if it actually does anything to the my emulation though, so it might not actually be working, but no errors or such like.

24 February 2009, 05:36	#20
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,188	Hi skateblind, I think all versions of EUAE use the same configuration files whether they support all of the features or not.

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