Vsync + Vista x64 tearing - Page 2

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

Well, you know, the case is not that easy with Viśta, you "only" have what M$ released officially, what has been tested, what hasn't caused many problems...

To REALLY keep up to date, you would have to get ALL the updates that came after SP1.
Try here, and here. Good luck!

I've only ~200 after-SP1 hotfixes, not counting those officially availabvle

And only found 2 buggy NET hotfixes to this day

I stand corrected - I keep my system up to date with the fixes that dont cause any problems according to M$

Marcuz · 08 August 2008, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

Well, you know, the case is not that easy with Viśta, you "only" have what M$ released officially, what has been tested, what hasn't caused many problems...

To REALLY keep up to date, you would have to get ALL the updates that came after SP1.
Try here, and here. Good luck!

I've only ~200 after-SP1 hotfixes, not counting those officially availabvle

And only found 2 buggy (on my sys

) NET hotfixes to this day

you, maniac...

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 16:27

what? i don't create those hotfixes...

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

what? i don't create those hotfixes...

Most hotfixes are created to fix a specific problem... If I dont have a problem then I dont need the hotfix right? Just because I can isn't a good enough reason to waste my time fixing problems I dont have!

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 17:16

why do service packs come out then?
to install 99% of hotfixes you don't need?
no my dear rabbit80, hotfixes are to fix a specific problem that EXISTS with that software it is for, it doesn't mean you as a simple user has to know about the bug nor understand it.
just like patches are for games, hotfixes are for os's.

don't want it?
fine.
don't install it.
just be aware you'll eventually install it in the newest sp no matter if you want it or not.

and if you want, go check on the M$ download page for any not-yet-released hotfix and you will soon notice it says soon to be in SP2.
could it perhaps mean that the new/next Service Pack 2 will contain that hotfix?

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

why do service packs come out then?
to install 99% of hotfixes you don't need?
no my dear rabbit80, hotfixes are to fix a specific problem that EXISTS with that software it is for, it doesn't mean you as a simple user has to know about the bug nor understand it.
just like patches are for games, hotfixes are for os's.

don't want it?
fine.
don't install it.
just be aware you'll eventually install it in the newest sp no matter if you want it or not.

and if you want, go check on the M$ download page for any not-yet-released hotfix and you will soon notice it says soon to be in SP2.
could it perhaps mean that the new/next Service Pack 2 will contain that hotfix?

From a typical M$ hotfix not distributed but will be included in a service pack in the future... (KB951937)

"A supported hotfix is available from Microsoft. However, this hotfix is intended to correct only the problem that is described in this article. Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing this specific problem. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix."

As stated - the hotfix is designed to fix a specific problem and is not recommended unless you are experiencing that problem. Its a waste of time and effort to seek out all hotfixes if they are not specific to my problem - ultimately these hotfixes are not fully tested and can (i have known them to) caues other issues. These hotfixes are also often superceded by newer hotfixes.

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 17:31

of course, those are the rules, a perfect company-to-user agreement...
wouldn't want to get into some trouble with law over a stupid untested hotfix, now would we?

it's just like with some pr0n sites you know, they have the selector box at the first page asking how old are you and simply ANYBODY can choose 18 years or more.
but THEY are clear and innocent

but hey, no sweat, you really got it all wrong friend, i'm not ordering you to install every single hotfix out there, i've only pointed you onto those sites so maybe you could find the right one

i install them all cause i'm a beta whore, probably it's just my luck that only 2 hotfixes out of those 200 caused a problem, but hey, for me a hotfix is something that is needed until it causes trouble

---=== EDITED ===---
The in-between-lines translation of the above document states: if you do not know what are you doing, don't sue us after you blew something with this hotfix, it was only tested on 1 M$'s computer and can destroy any other

Marcuz · 08 August 2008, 17:35

you, maniacs...

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 17:40

Quote:

it's just like with some pr0n sites you know, they have the selector box at the first page asking how old are you and simply ANYBODY can choose 18 years or more.
but THEY are clear and innocent

I wouldnt know about pr0n sites since I am all innocent

Quote:

i install them all cause i'm a beta whore, probably it's just my luck that only 2 hotfixes out of those 200 caused a problem, but hey, for me a hotfix is something that is needed until it causes trouble

I used to do that too - till my software kept screwing up. Now I wait till its official then I have an excuse to shout at somebody if it breaks anything!

Quote:

you, maniacs...

Thx....

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 17:46

yeah, in the before-sp1 era i've installed the beta nvidia drivers for my gf6600gt and it worked fine. until i've installed sp1 - it immediatly BSODed... surely SP1 was the guilty one? no, as a matter of fact no. it was nvidia's driver that was faulty... (what nvidia statet itself)

perhaps try start64.com or google and search for a movie playing proggie called "Media Player Classic" that has a nice feature to test tearing - just press ctrl + t
try playing the biggest (res) movie you've got (or download some free in hdtv) and turn this option on. if it will cause tearing, it's something with vista, if not... well

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 17:49

I'll try that later - I'm just about to finish work. Thx

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

you, maniac...

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

you, maniacs...

i see you're jealous?

Marcuz · 08 August 2008, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

ctrl + t

always on top? what would it do to cause tearing? i have to try it

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 18:44

lol, no, in Media Player Classic Homecinema 1.1.604.0 that's the "Tearing test" on/off switch

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 19:12

I miss the simplicity of my A500

No updates to worry about, No tearing, etc etc

Is there any way in which I can make my old A500 (which died years ago but I still have) into a USB keyboard and Mouse / Joystick ports and Floppy / power lights box? I know it would need a bit of soldering but I hate PC keyboards.. It would complete the retro feel for me and would confuse my friends

Imagine running Crysis on an A500

ganralf · 08 August 2008, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

I miss the simplicity of my A500

No updates to worry about, No tearing, etc etc

Is there any way in which I can make my old A500 (which died years ago but I still have) into a USB keyboard and Mouse / Joystick ports and Floppy / power lights box? I know it would need a bit of soldering but I hate PC keyboards.. It would complete the retro feel for me and would confuse my friends

Imagine running Crysis on an A500

Keyrah

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 20:00

Awesome - that is exactly what I was looking for

Does it work in an A500 case?

08 August 2008, 17:31	#27
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	of course, those are the rules, a perfect company-to-user agreement... wouldn't want to get into some trouble with law over a stupid untested hotfix, now would we? it's just like with some pr0n sites you know, they have the selector box at the first page asking how old are you and simply ANYBODY can choose 18 years or more. but THEY are clear and innocent but hey, no sweat, you really got it all wrong friend, i'm not ordering you to install every single hotfix out there, i've only pointed you onto those sites so maybe you could find the right one i install them all cause i'm a beta whore, probably it's just my luck that only 2 hotfixes out of those 200 caused a problem, but hey, for me a hotfix is something that is needed until it causes trouble ---=== EDITED ===--- The in-between-lines translation of the above document states: if you do not know what are you doing, don't sue us after you blew something with this hotfix, it was only tested on 1 M$'s computer and can destroy any other Last edited by Shoonay; 08 August 2008 at 17:38.

08 August 2008, 19:12	#35
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	I miss the simplicity of my A500 No updates to worry about, No tearing, etc etc Is there any way in which I can make my old A500 (which died years ago but I still have) into a USB keyboard and Mouse / Joystick ports and Floppy / power lights box? I know it would need a bit of soldering but I hate PC keyboards.. It would complete the retro feel for me and would confuse my friends Imagine running Crysis on an A500 Last edited by Rabbit80; 08 August 2008 at 19:30.

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08 August 2008, 16:27	#23
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	what? i don't create those hotfixes...

08 August 2008, 17:16	#25
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	why do service packs come out then? to install 99% of hotfixes you don't need? no my dear rabbit80, hotfixes are to fix a specific problem that EXISTS with that software it is for, it doesn't mean you as a simple user has to know about the bug nor understand it. just like patches are for games, hotfixes are for os's. don't want it? fine. don't install it. just be aware you'll eventually install it in the newest sp no matter if you want it or not. and if you want, go check on the M$ download page for any not-yet-released hotfix and you will soon notice it says soon to be in SP2. could it perhaps mean that the new/next Service Pack 2 will contain that hotfix?

08 August 2008, 17:35	#28
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	you, maniacs...

08 August 2008, 17:46	#30
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	yeah, in the before-sp1 era i've installed the beta nvidia drivers for my gf6600gt and it worked fine. until i've installed sp1 - it immediatly BSODed... surely SP1 was the guilty one? no, as a matter of fact no. it was nvidia's driver that was faulty... (what nvidia statet itself) perhaps try start64.com or google and search for a movie playing proggie called "Media Player Classic" that has a nice feature to test tearing - just press ctrl + t try playing the biggest (res) movie you've got (or download some free in hdtv) and turn this option on. if it will cause tearing, it's something with vista, if not... well

08 August 2008, 17:49	#31
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	I'll try that later - I'm just about to finish work. Thx

08 August 2008, 18:44	#34
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	lol, no, in Media Player Classic Homecinema 1.1.604.0 that's the "Tearing test" on/off switch

08 August 2008, 20:00	#37
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Awesome - that is exactly what I was looking for Does it work in an A500 case?

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