Problematic Demos. - Page 16

amilo3438 · 02 November 2013, 13:55

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

It still isn't interesting and it won't help. It won't really narrow down possible problem, unless you start assuming and I won't (at least not too much).

Regarding Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents works fine on 68010 ... I thought if would be possible to compare timing values between 68000 and 68010 while both still use same timing (as you have been mentioned in beta 10 release) and narrow down possible different values?!

Of course, just another loud thinking that doesnt need answer.

Toni Wilen · 02 November 2013, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

It seems that the shifted scrollers fix might damaged "something"!

Megademo by Intuition ... WinUAE test 2013-10-31 (pic.1) and test 2013-11-02 (pic.2)...?!

Fixed. It was forgotten test change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Regarding Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents works fine on 68010 ... I thought if would be possible to compare timing values between 68000 and 68010 while both still use same timing (as you have been mentioned in beta 10 release) and narrow down possible different values?!

Of course, just another loud thinking that doesnt need answer.

Timing code is same but documented differences makes it different: exceptions (including interrupts) have longer stack frame and CLR/Scc works slightly differently, for example.

amilo3438 · 02 November 2013, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Fixed. It was forgotten test change.

Wow, this one works fine ... now need to update the 1st page ... and probably test other already fixed demos ... just in case.

EDIT: Confirmed ... all other "already fixed demos" also works fine in latest test winuae.zip 2013-11-02 13:55 !!!

In addition one surprise: Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents also doesnt show any glitches!!! (accidently or ... it has been fixed ?!)

amilo3438 · 02 November 2013, 21:13

Bombastic Passion (Intro) by Nova

Beta11, A500 OCS 0.5MB+0.5MB ... pic.?! (It doesnt happens with ECS Agnus!)

Toni Wilen · 02 November 2013, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Bombastic Passion (Intro) by Nova

Beta11, A500 OCS 0.5MB+0.5MB ... pic.?! (It doesnt happens with ECS Agnus!)

It is correct. Sprite pointers point to bogus data, ECS sprites have extra vertical bits and if set (and it is in this demo), vertical start position becomes large enough, outside of PAL area.

These bits were added to support mouse cursor sprite on new ECS only programmed high resolution non-interlaced modes.

amilo3438 · 03 November 2013, 13:39

Party Demo 2 (Intro) by Network

Found the same also on the link ... what happened here ?!

Does it happens same on a real A500?

EDIT: Yes, I didnt read it carefully ... its fake bugs!

Toni Wilen · 03 November 2013, 13:50

Yes. "Fake bugs" tag says it all!

amilo3438 · 03 November 2013, 14:45

Paeckchen 50 Intro (Intro) by Mexx

"Something" broken sound?! ... It seems working fine in WinUAE 2.0.1 (2009-12-23)!

EDIT:Same here!
Plasma (Intro) by Mexx

Toni Wilen · 03 November 2013, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Paeckchen 50 Intro (Intro) by Mexx

"Something" broken sound?! ... It seems working fine in WinUAE 2.0.1 (2009-12-23)!

EDIT:Same here!
Plasma (Intro) by Mexx

They attempt to create NTSC mode by writing to Agnus scanline count register (VPOSW) but it is done using method that makes no sense. I have no idea why it is done that way (and I am even sure how it can work..)

Old versions didn't support this kind of refresh rate programming (used mainly in games, Dynablaster, Soccer Kid and Wings of Death)

EDIT: added hack that prevents moving vpos backwards. It wouldn't have worked correctly anyway because display scanline and Agnus scanline are glued together in emulation. It would require major changes to support vpos tricks fully and it really isn't worth the trouble in near future.

amilo3438 · 03 November 2013, 18:15

4 Bitplane Sine Scroller (Demo) by Level 4

winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (09->0D) PC=0003b7a0"

It seems as another "blitter active" issue!

EDIT:
Rampage (Trackmo) by The Electronic Knights

winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->0D) PC=00038c8c"

amilo3438 · 03 November 2013, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

EDIT: added hack that prevents moving vpos backwards. It wouldn't have worked correctly anyway because display scanline and Agnus scanline are glued together in emulation. It would require major changes to support vpos tricks fully and it really isn't worth the trouble in near future.

Then is better to have a hack than nothing.

Just tested in today newest winuae.exe ... now both demos works fine!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Old versions didn't support this kind of refresh rate programming (used mainly in games, Dynablaster, Soccer Kid and Wings of Death)

Will the hack also work for mentioned games?! ... or these game will have some problem running in newest WinUAE versions?!
(just ask, didnt tested, also not interested if will not work)

Toni Wilen · 03 November 2013, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Then is better to have a hack than nothing.

Just tested in today newest winuae.exe ... now both demos works fine!

They do work now but not "fine". Screen mode is still PAL, not "fake" NTSC.

Quote:

Will the hack also work for mentioned games?! ... or these game will have some problem running in newest WinUAE versions?!
(just ask, didnt tested, also not interested if will not work)

Those games still work correctly, this hack does not prevent "normal" fake NTSC code from working. (vpos at line ~262 or so is moved to last PAL line)

heavy · 03 November 2013, 19:58

about Rampage/Tek
http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10250

I've not tested this one since winuae 1.6.2 b4 / 2.0.0, when the "landscape" part does'nt crash anymore (with CE=ON)

I retested it now with v2.5.1 -> 2.7.0b9 CE=ON (more test needed, I don't know since which version this bug happens) :
at the credits part the music replayer stop (pic1), play very slowly until next part (pic2)

with 2.7.0b11 bug with both CE=ON/OFF

I also tested with the "fixed" disk version : this part works with CE=OFF, as the first part

amilo3438 · 03 November 2013, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavy

with 2.7.0b11 bug with both cycle exact on/off

Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!

With beta 11 and CE=ON noticed same music playing problem!

I have been verified version http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/break/...s.php?id=16058.

On an old WinUAE 2.0.1 it works w/o music playing issue!

heavy · 03 November 2013, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!

yep, always with CE=OFF, not only 2.7.0b11. this part only work with CE=ON since winuae 1.6.2b4 until now (never worked before)

the fix works fine with CE OFF also with the credits part bug.

amilo3438 · 04 November 2013, 12:46

Mental Turricanover (Demo) by Kyrios & Dutch Usa Team & Rainbow Arts

Does the text looks same unreadable on a real A500?!

(Double line mode -> pics.1, 2 ... Scanelines line mode -> pic.3)

amilo3438 · 04 November 2013, 15:53

Vector Bobs (Demo) by It

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... garbage in scrolling text! (It seems working fine if CE=OFF.)

EDIT: (WinUAE 0.8.27 (2004-06-05) working fine with CE=ON)

EDIT2: winuaelog ->
"BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->09) PC=000267c4"
"BLITTER: D-channel without nothing to do?"

Toni Wilen · 04 November 2013, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!

With beta 11 and CE=ON noticed same music playing problem!

I have been verified version http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/break/...s.php?id=16058.

On an old WinUAE 2.0.1 it works w/o music playing issue!

Not much help. It is 99.9% surely CPU speed issue and this is quite useless test case because disabling cycle-exact when credits part starts won't fix it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Mental Turricanover (Demo) by Kyrios & Dutch Usa Team & Rainbow Arts

Does the text looks same unreadable on a real A500?!

(Double line mode -> pics.1, 2 ... Scanelines line mode -> pic.3)

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Vector Bobs (Demo) by It

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... garbage in scrolling text! (It seems working fine if CE=OFF.)

EDIT: (WinUAE 0.8.27 (2004-06-05) working fine with CE=ON)

You missed some blitter messages in the log...

amilo3438 · 04 November 2013, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

It is 99.9% surely CPU speed issue and this is quite useless test case because disabling cycle-exact when credits part starts won't fix it.

You are probably right ... so its now just for the record!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

You missed some blitter messages in the log...

yep, my mistake, dont know how that happen.

amilo3438 · 04 November 2013, 22:45

Oh No! Not Another One of Those Bob-Demos (Demo) by D-Mob

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... Probably another one "CPU speed issue"?!

(ps. It seems WinUAE 2.0.1 is last version where its working fine!)

02 November 2013, 21:13	#304
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Bombastic Passion (Intro) by Nova Beta11, A500 OCS 0.5MB+0.5MB ... pic.?! (It doesnt happens with ECS Agnus!) Attached Thumbnails

03 November 2013, 13:39	#306
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Party Demo 2 (Intro) by Network Found the same also on the link ... what happened here ?! Does it happens same on a real A500? EDIT: Yes, I didnt read it carefully ... its fake bugs! Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 13:51.

03 November 2013, 14:45	#308
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Paeckchen 50 Intro (Intro) by Mexx "Something" broken sound?! ... It seems working fine in WinUAE 2.0.1 (2009-12-23)! EDIT:Same here! Plasma (Intro) by Mexx Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 14:50.

03 November 2013, 18:15	#310
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	4 Bitplane Sine Scroller (Demo) by Level 4 winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (09->0D) PC=0003b7a0" It seems as another "blitter active" issue! EDIT: Rampage (Trackmo) by The Electronic Knights winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->0D) PC=00038c8c" Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 20:32.

03 November 2013, 19:58	#313
heavy noodle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: europe Posts: 247	about Rampage/Tek http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10250 I've not tested this one since winuae 1.6.2 b4 / 2.0.0, when the "landscape" part does'nt crash anymore (with CE=ON) I retested it now with v2.5.1 -> 2.7.0b9 CE=ON (more test needed, I don't know since which version this bug happens) : at the credits part the music replayer stop (pic1), play very slowly until next part (pic2) with 2.7.0b11 bug with both CE=ON/OFF I also tested with the "fixed" disk version : this part works with CE=OFF, as the first part Attached Thumbnails Last edited by heavy; 03 November 2013 at 23:51.

03 November 2013, 13:50	#307
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,507	Yes. "Fake bugs" tag says it all!

04 November 2013, 12:46	#316
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Mental Turricanover (Demo) by Kyrios & Dutch Usa Team & Rainbow Arts Does the text looks same unreadable on a real A500?! (Double line mode -> pics.1, 2 ... Scanelines line mode -> pic.3) Attached Thumbnails

04 November 2013, 15:53	#317
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Vector Bobs (Demo) by It A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... garbage in scrolling text! (It seems working fine if CE=OFF.) EDIT: (WinUAE 0.8.27 (2004-06-05) working fine with CE=ON) EDIT2: winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->09) PC=000267c4" "BLITTER: D-channel without nothing to do?" Attached Thumbnails Last edited by amilo3438; 04 November 2013 at 20:14.

04 November 2013, 22:45	#320
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,504	Oh No! Not Another One of Those Bob-Demos (Demo) by D-Mob A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... Probably another one "CPU speed issue"?! (ps. It seems WinUAE 2.0.1 is last version where its working fine!) Attached Thumbnails

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