SFS on A600 020 KS 2.0

demolition · 18 December 2012, 18:14

I'm trying to get a CF card to run on the A600 (which has an ACA620 in it). I basically made a copy of the card I have in the A1200 and replaced ClassicWB ADVSP with ClassicWB Full to make it a little lighter. The card is running SFS with two partitions (800MB+3000MB).

It works fine if I boot with KS 3.1, but it won't boot with KS 2.05. I can replicate this error in WinUAE. The error is that it just stays on the white KS screen indefinitely. Since I want to soft-kick using Maprom, I need it to boot and load the KS3.1 ROM from the HDD.

The only requirements I can find for SFS is that it requires an 020, which I have. KS 2.05 should work fine. Is anyone else using SFS in an 020 A600?

Toni Wilen · 18 December 2012, 19:56

Does it also happen under WinUAE in UAE HD controller mode? (Not just IDE0)
If yes, could you attach winuaelog.txt?

demolition · 18 December 2012, 21:36

Yes, it also happens using UAE controller.

Log attached.

I'm not sure it has anything to do with SFS, I just can't think of what else it might be.

Toni Wilen · 19 December 2012, 16:35

Log looks fine.

Does it also hang if you disable second partition using early boot menu? (try also disabling first partition)

demolition · 19 December 2012, 20:29

If I disable DH1 and boot from DH0 the problem is the same. If I disable DH0 I can make it boot from DF0. DH1 doesn't show up in the boot menu (as it's not bootable).

Toni Wilen · 19 December 2012, 20:38

Sorry but I have no ideas anymore.

Switch to PFS3

demolition · 19 December 2012, 22:58

Will probably do that. Was already considering to try it to compare the speed on my machines. With FFS, my A1200 with ACA1232 can do 2.5MB/s sustained in Sysinfo, and with SFS this drops to 2.1MB/s. Hoping PFS3 can do even better than FFS.

amiman99 · 20 December 2012, 02:15

I have A4000 with 3.0 ROMs and could not get the SFS working. got A1200 with 3.1 ROMs and works fine. So, maybe you need 3.1 ROMs to get SFS working????
On A4000, I installed PFS3 and works very well so far.

The difference between FFS and SFS/PFS3 is the large file access. With FFS, Shapeshifter with hardfile or Doom they load forever, but with SFS/PFS3 the loading speed is considerably increased.

demolition · 20 December 2012, 09:35

SFS works fine on my A1200 with 3.0 ROMs.

demolition · 21 December 2012, 20:21

I think I found the problem. I read in several places that it should work with KS 2.05, but on the official page they write 3.0+, so I guess that explains the problem.

Here we go with PFS3 instead.

Amiga1992 · 21 December 2012, 20:33

Hmm wait a second. If I am not wrong, my A600 has SFS. but I could be wrong.
i'll check it and get back to you.

[edit] nope, I had Fast File System.

Now it's rocking PFS3-AIO. Rock solid!!

demolition · 21 December 2012, 21:34

It would have to have an accelerator then as SFS requires an 020 CPU.

I just tried PFS3 formatting a CF card, and it seems to boot fine in the 600, so I'll probably just go with that.

Performance in Sysinfo is the same as with FFS which is 2MB/s sustained, but I guess that would probably be limited by the CPU and not the filesystem. I expect it to be a lot faster than FFS on smaller files though.

Edit: You edited your post before I pressed 'save' on this one.

What's this PFS3-AIO compared to the regular PFS3?

Toni Wilen · 21 December 2012, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition

Performance in Sysinfo is the same as with FFS which is 2MB/s sustained, but I guess that would probably be limited by the CPU and not the filesystem

Sysinfo only measures raw read rate. Filesystem makes no difference.

demolition · 21 December 2012, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Sysinfo only measures raw read rate. Filesystem makes no difference.

I thought it did since I measured 2.5MB/s on my 1200 using FFS on a Sandisk Ultra II and only 2.2MB/s on the same machine using SFS on a Sandisk Ultra. Since the Ultra is supposed to be faster, I didn't expect the card to be the cause of the difference.

Amiga1992 · 22 December 2012, 00:23

PFS3-AIO is Toni Wilen's branch of PFS3 which runs on 68000. Regular PFS3 only runs on 020+

demolition · 22 December 2012, 01:26

Looks to me like the regular PFS3 supports 000, 020, 040 and 060. Perhaps direct SCSI is only 020+. Difference is you have to choose the correct version when installing the filesystem where the AIO supports them all automatically.

I found Toni's AIO on Aminet but there was no guide included how to use it so I wasn't sure about that. Do I use the same dostype as for the regular PFS3-DS?

Amiga1992 · 22 December 2012, 01:44

I just followed any guide for PFS. I am pretty sure the DOS type (identifier) is just cosmetic. I typed whatever (ended up being DOD\4f :P) and it works fine. The handler is all you need!

amiman99 · 22 December 2012, 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition

SFS works fine on my A1200 with 3.0 ROMs.

I have tried everything, copied all settings from A1200 and could not get it to work on A4000 with v3.0 ROMs. God knows why, but no me.
The problem was that the partition with SFS would not show up on Workbench so I can format it.

Toni Wilen · 22 December 2012, 08:20

Quote:

I found Toni's AIO on Aminet but there was no guide included how to use it so I wasn't sure about that. Do I use the same dostype as for the regular PFS3-DS?

Nothing needs to be changed, run hdtoolbox, use filesystem update function to replace existing filesystem.

Dostypes don't really matter with PFS3 but don't make any conflicts like using DOS\01, it won't work

Included Aminet readme has short description that explains the differences.

Quote:

I thought it did since I measured 2.5MB/s on my 1200 using FFS on a Sandisk Ultra II and only 2.2MB/s on the same machine using SFS on a Sandisk Ultra. Since the Ultra is supposed to be faster, I didn't expect the card to be the cause of the difference.

Did you run the test few times (Result is not 100% stable) or did you have different programs running or different setup?

demolition · 22 December 2012, 14:12

I assume that I cannot replace the filesystem from PFS3-020ds to PFS3-AIO without having to reformat everything?

For the speed test, the hardware was identical except for the CF card as mentioned. It might have been two different versions of ClassicWB running (the slower being Full version and fast being ADVSP version). No other program was running, and I ran it several times on both partitions. Perhaps I should run it from a clean DOS for it to provide more valid numbers.

I expected the dostype to be hardcoded into the filesystem to identify different revisions, which meant you had to choose the right one, but I guess not?

18 December 2012, 18:14	#1
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	SFS on A600 020 KS 2.0 I'm trying to get a CF card to run on the A600 (which has an ACA620 in it). I basically made a copy of the card I have in the A1200 and replaced ClassicWB ADVSP with ClassicWB Full to make it a little lighter. The card is running SFS with two partitions (800MB+3000MB). It works fine if I boot with KS 3.1, but it won't boot with KS 2.05. I can replicate this error in WinUAE. The error is that it just stays on the white KS screen indefinitely. Since I want to soft-kick using Maprom, I need it to boot and load the KS3.1 ROM from the HDD. The only requirements I can find for SFS is that it requires an 020, which I have. KS 2.05 should work fine. Is anyone else using SFS in an 020 A600?

18 December 2012, 21:36	#3
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	Yes, it also happens using UAE controller. Log attached. I'm not sure it has anything to do with SFS, I just can't think of what else it might be. Last edited by demolition; 02 May 2013 at 15:59.

21 December 2012, 20:33	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Hmm wait a second. If I am not wrong, my A600 has SFS. but I could be wrong. i'll check it and get back to you. [edit] nope, I had Fast File System. Now it's rocking PFS3-AIO. Rock solid!! Last edited by Amiga1992; 21 December 2012 at 21:32.

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18 December 2012, 19:56	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,536	Does it also happen under WinUAE in UAE HD controller mode? (Not just IDE0) If yes, could you attach winuaelog.txt?

19 December 2012, 16:35	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,536	Log looks fine. Does it also hang if you disable second partition using early boot menu? (try also disabling first partition)

19 December 2012, 20:29	#5
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	If I disable DH1 and boot from DH0 the problem is the same. If I disable DH0 I can make it boot from DF0. DH1 doesn't show up in the boot menu (as it's not bootable).

19 December 2012, 20:38	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,536	Sorry but I have no ideas anymore. Switch to PFS3

19 December 2012, 22:58	#7
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	Will probably do that. Was already considering to try it to compare the speed on my machines. With FFS, my A1200 with ACA1232 can do 2.5MB/s sustained in Sysinfo, and with SFS this drops to 2.1MB/s. Hoping PFS3 can do even better than FFS.

20 December 2012, 02:15	#8
amiman99 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX USA Age: 50 Posts: 1,185	I have A4000 with 3.0 ROMs and could not get the SFS working. got A1200 with 3.1 ROMs and works fine. So, maybe you need 3.1 ROMs to get SFS working???? On A4000, I installed PFS3 and works very well so far. The difference between FFS and SFS/PFS3 is the large file access. With FFS, Shapeshifter with hardfile or Doom they load forever, but with SFS/PFS3 the loading speed is considerably increased.

20 December 2012, 09:35	#9
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	SFS works fine on my A1200 with 3.0 ROMs.

21 December 2012, 20:21	#10
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	I think I found the problem. I read in several places that it should work with KS 2.05, but on the official page they write 3.0+, so I guess that explains the problem. Here we go with PFS3 instead.

21 December 2012, 21:34	#12
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	It would have to have an accelerator then as SFS requires an 020 CPU. I just tried PFS3 formatting a CF card, and it seems to boot fine in the 600, so I'll probably just go with that. Performance in Sysinfo is the same as with FFS which is 2MB/s sustained, but I guess that would probably be limited by the CPU and not the filesystem. I expect it to be a lot faster than FFS on smaller files though. Edit: You edited your post before I pressed 'save' on this one. What's this PFS3-AIO compared to the regular PFS3?

22 December 2012, 00:23	#15
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	PFS3-AIO is Toni Wilen's branch of PFS3 which runs on 68000. Regular PFS3 only runs on 020+

22 December 2012, 01:26	#16
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	Looks to me like the regular PFS3 supports 000, 020, 040 and 060. Perhaps direct SCSI is only 020+. Difference is you have to choose the correct version when installing the filesystem where the AIO supports them all automatically. I found Toni's AIO on Aminet but there was no guide included how to use it so I wasn't sure about that. Do I use the same dostype as for the regular PFS3-DS?

22 December 2012, 01:44	#17
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I just followed any guide for PFS. I am pretty sure the DOS type (identifier) is just cosmetic. I typed whatever (ended up being DOD\4f :P) and it works fine. The handler is all you need!

22 December 2012, 14:12	#20
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 44 Posts: 4,190	I assume that I cannot replace the filesystem from PFS3-020ds to PFS3-AIO without having to reformat everything? For the speed test, the hardware was identical except for the CF card as mentioned. It might have been two different versions of ClassicWB running (the slower being Full version and fast being ADVSP version). No other program was running, and I ran it several times on both partitions. Perhaps I should run it from a clean DOS for it to provide more valid numbers. I expected the dostype to be hardcoded into the filesystem to identify different revisions, which meant you had to choose the right one, but I guess not?

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