Final Fight Speculation - Page 7

dlfrsilver · 12 July 2018, 23:12

Can you wait this week end for that, i had to let them aside, but yes, i can

DamienD · 12 July 2018, 23:47

mcgeezer; from what you achieved in 6 months with Bomb Jack Beer Edition; you should utilise your talents elsewhere. Rock 'n Rope / Blood Bros are my bias opinions

...though you already have a space type idea don't you? Do that

Yeah Double Dragon on the Amiga isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination compared with the arcade but... back then I was happy.

Just the other day I played this via MAME for nostalgia purposes, got bored and changed games within a few minutes...

That's not to say that back in the day it wasn't very popular and I loved it; I just don't think people are longing for an arcade accurate Amiga port.

<unlike Rygar>

dlfrsilver · 12 July 2018, 23:58

arff Rygar, i spent 3 full days to extract the graphics with all the palettes.... and nothing came out :'(

DamienD · 13 July 2018, 00:12

...not even the first complete / working level.

To be fair though, it's a monumental task, the team that did this on the arcades back in the day knew what they were doing!!! Still a classic

saimon69 · 13 July 2018, 00:22

Well Rygar source is out if someone want to test and extend stuff as far as i remember

DamienD · 13 July 2018, 00:35

...yeah, but who's crazy enough???

It would take a team of say 5 - 10 talented people at least a year to produce anything like the arcade on the Amiga; it's definitely capable I'd imagine but

The graphics, movement, enemies, power-ups, water falls, ropes, lava action, scenery changes, other small details, blah / blah / blah. That's a lot of different elements / positions / patterns to cover and for 28 mostly individual levels.

Anyway, I / we are getting way off topic here.

mcgeezer · 13 July 2018, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

mcgeezer; from what you achieved in 6 months with Bomb Jack Beer Edition; you should utilise your talents elsewhere. Rock 'n Rope / Blood Bros are my bias opinions

...though you already have a space type idea don't you? Do that

Yep... idea is still on the cards, I just either have to license the graphics if I find some that are suitable or draw them myself... Good graphics guys are hard to come by and they have to be passionate about the project too. The other thing I've come to find out is that developing for CD32 is far from straight forward. Playing an audio track for example is still something I'm struggling with so I think it's a longer term project while I build up experience.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

...not even the first complete / working level.

To be fair though, it's a monumental task, the team that did this on the arcades back in the day knew what they were doing!!! Still a classic

Rygar is one of those games that I loved in the arcades and I would love to to do it but the A500 simply doesn't have enough ummfff to do the game justice... AGA could do it easily though and would probably be arcade perfect.
Time to code it if I had all the tile sets, sprites, tile maps... probably a little under 6 months.

I think the original lad (Sandruzo???) who was doing Rygar said it was always a tech demo anyway and wouldn't be a game as he wanted to prove the A500 could do it (I still don't think he did), but he wasn't too keen to let the latest source code out when I asked him so maybe he still has plans to do it - I could ask him again I guess.

The appeal to Double Dragon though is that it always seemed to me to be a simple game, certainly on the technical side it is very straight forward to do. Time to code would be around 3 months if I have all the assets to hand.

I'll contemplate some more but Double Dragon would be a nice little project... perhaps even for the upcoming game compo.

sandruzzo · 13 July 2018, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Yep... idea is still on the cards, I just either have to license the graphics if I find some that are suitable or draw them myself... Good graphics guys are hard to come by and they have to be passionate about the project too. The other thing I've come to find out is that developing for CD32 is far from straight forward. Playing an audio track for example is still something I'm struggling with so I think it's a longer term project while I build up experience.

Rygar is one of those games that I loved in the arcades and I would love to to do it but the A500 simply doesn't have enough ummfff to do the game justice... AGA could do it easily though and would probably be arcade perfect.
Time to code it if I had all the tile sets, sprites, tile maps... probably a little under 6 months.

I think the original lad (Sandruzo???) who was doing Rygar said it was always a tech demo anyway and wouldn't be a game as he wanted to prove the A500 could do it (I still don't think he did), but he wasn't too keen to let the latest source code out when I asked him so maybe he still has plans to do it - I could ask him again I guess.

The appeal to Double Dragon though is that it always seemed to me to be a simple game, certainly on the technical side it is very straight forward to do. Time to code would be around 3 months if I have all the assets to hand.

I'll contemplate some more but Double Dragon would be a nice little project... perhaps even for the upcoming game compo.

Yes only tech demo. How can we do a full game with allmost no market?

vulture · 13 July 2018, 14:36

@sandruzzo

that's understandable, but would you consider openning the code for someone else to continue your work? (ie mcgeezer)

Hewitson · 13 July 2018, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Rygar is one of those games that I loved in the arcades and I would love to to do it but the A500 simply doesn't have enough ummfff to do the game justice...

Seriously? The C64 does the game justice...

sandruzzo · 13 July 2018, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulture

@sandruzzo

that's understandable, but would you consider openning the code for someone else to continue your work? (ie mcgeezer)

I did in the past, and it hurt me, and a lot! No way I'll do it again. Sorry, only sharing gfx thecnique

SteveMoody · 13 July 2018, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

mcgeezer; from what you achieved in 6 months with Bomb Jack Beer Edition; you should utilise your talents elsewhere. Rock 'n Rope / Blood Bros are my bias opinions

I did consider writing a version of Roc'n Rope a while back. Should be possible to get a port that's close to the arcade.

DamienD · 13 July 2018, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMoody

I did consider writing a version of Roc'n Rope a while back. Should be possible to get a port that's close to the arcade.

Most definitely

It's a fun little game; remember playing this as a young boy back in the arcades

mcgeezer · 13 July 2018, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandruzzo

Yes only tech demo. How can we do a full game with allmost no market?

You have to do it for the love of the challenge really.

If you're developing games for money then the Amiga is the wrong platform, for me the market doesn't matter and the community is everything along with the life of the Amiga.

mcgeezer · 13 July 2018, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandruzzo

I did in the past, and it hurt me, and a lot! No way I'll do it again. Sorry, only sharing gfx thecnique

What do you mean - it hurt you?

Do you specifically mean the Rygar source code, or another project you worked on?

sandruzzo · 13 July 2018, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

You have to do it for the love of the challenge really.

If you're developing games for money then the Amiga is the wrong platform, for me the market doesn't matter and the community is everything along with the life of the Amiga.

It's not money per se. I was here begging for help for months, and nothig did happened! See the point?

mcgeezer · 13 July 2018, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandruzzo

It's not money per se. I was here begging for help for months, and nothig did happened! See the point?

I'm sorry no, I don't see what you are saying.

You were asking for help for months so you decided not to release any source code?

sandruzzo · 13 July 2018, 17:42

@mcgeezer

Yes, so far no source code release. Btw it's nothig special and still work in progress, with a lot of tests and bugs

sandruzzo · 13 July 2018, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

I'm sorry no, I don't see what you are saying.

You were asking for help for months so you decided not to release any source code?

If we want do an open project work together and use my experience on current rygar, I'm very willing to do

mcgeezer · 13 July 2018, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandruzzo

@mcgeezer

Yes, so far no source code release. Btw it's nothig special and still work in progress, with a lot of tests and bugs

So are you actually making the game?

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12 July 2018, 23:12	#121
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	Can you wait this week end for that, i had to let them aside, but yes, i can

12 July 2018, 23:47	#122
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	mcgeezer; from what you achieved in 6 months with Bomb Jack Beer Edition; you should utilise your talents elsewhere. Rock 'n Rope / Blood Bros are my bias opinions ...though you already have a space type idea don't you? Do that Yeah Double Dragon on the Amiga isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination compared with the arcade but... back then I was happy. Just the other day I played this via MAME for nostalgia purposes, got bored and changed games within a few minutes... That's not to say that back in the day it wasn't very popular and I loved it; I just don't think people are longing for an arcade accurate Amiga port. <unlike Rygar>

12 July 2018, 23:58	#123
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	arff Rygar, i spent 3 full days to extract the graphics with all the palettes.... and nothing came out :'(

13 July 2018, 00:12	#124
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...not even the first complete / working level. To be fair though, it's a monumental task, the team that did this on the arcades back in the day knew what they were doing!!! Still a classic

13 July 2018, 00:22	#125
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,516	Well Rygar source is out if someone want to test and extend stuff as far as i remember

13 July 2018, 00:35	#126
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...yeah, but who's crazy enough??? It would take a team of say 5 - 10 talented people at least a year to produce anything like the arcade on the Amiga; it's definitely capable I'd imagine but The graphics, movement, enemies, power-ups, water falls, ropes, lava action, scenery changes, other small details, blah / blah / blah. That's a lot of different elements / positions / patterns to cover and for 28 mostly individual levels. Anyway, I / we are getting way off topic here.

13 July 2018, 14:36	#129
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	@sandruzzo that's understandable, but would you consider openning the code for someone else to continue your work? (ie mcgeezer)

13 July 2018, 17:42	#138
sandruzzo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Italy/Rome Posts: 2,281	@mcgeezer Yes, so far no source code release. Btw it's nothig special and still work in progress, with a lot of tests and bugs

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