SWOS - The End?

blackcornflake · 15 October 2002, 12:21

It gets worse. I just checked SWOS 24/7 for the first time in a while, and the top news is that Jon Hare has left Codemasters [the peeps that bought Sensible out]. By my reckoning, this lessens the chance of a future SWOS game by about 100%.

There is a petition on SWOS 24/7 (and on several other sites) demanding a new game, but if Codemasters had wanted to do a version for, say, the GBA, they would surely have done so by now. That would have been cool. But ooh no.

Good thing the Amiga version is so playable; I will probably be able to keep playing the current edition forever. It would have been nice to try a brand new edition though.

Someone cheer me up, please!

Galahad/FLT · 15 October 2002, 20:15

1). Codemasters own the Copyright to the Sensible name and to all their games.
2). They also own all the source code, graphics and sound to all versions of all Sensible games.
3). SWOS was a big money spinner, and there is no way on this planet that Codemasters would let SWOS not get further releases, after all, there is no point buying all that stuff if Cannon Fodder is the only release!

I would bet my life, you will see SWOS again on other formats.

The end.

blackcornflake · 16 October 2002, 11:53

OK, you’re on. I know all of these things already, but thanks for the positive outlook. I hope you are right.

I just wonder what Codemasters are playing at, as they have sat on the Sensible acquisition since 1999 and done nothing with their oh-so-valuable football franchise. Why not? Waiting for 3D games to go out of fashion? Now one of the blokes largely responsible for SWOS has walked out. This does not tell me that they believe in it very much.

btw, can everyone sign the petition, please? What the hey - it can't hurt.

7-Zark-7 · 16 October 2002, 15:02

But without Jon Hare at the forefront of the game design, would you really want to see a conversion done by someone else? Whilst I was never a Sensi soccer fan,(but had followed Sesible Software from their C64 days), I respect the obvious efforts that Jon Hare & co. at sensible put into the gameplay of the Sensible Soccer games to make them the success they were.

KombatSanta · 16 October 2002, 16:00

Quote:

Originally posted by blackcornflake
Someone cheer me up, please!

Today I stubbed my toe on the dining room table... some people find it funny when other people hurt themselves, so there you go!

Amiga1992 · 16 October 2002, 16:14

Quote:

Originally posted by blackcornflake
By my reckoning, this lessens the chance of a future SWOS game by about 100%.

Well, it might not be that bad to have a new Sensi soccer. from what I read from that Jon Hare interview someone linked here, I bet they would have done the thing in 3D, and this sucks.

HOWEVER, I would love to see a NEW Sensi Soccer for the GBA, in glorious 2D.

Ash · 16 October 2002, 16:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Galahad/FLT
3). SWOS was a big money spinner, and there is no way on this planet that Codemasters would let SWOS not get further releases, after all, there is no point buying all that stuff if Cannon Fodder is the only release!

I would bet my life, you will see SWOS again on other formats.

The end. [/B]

To do otherwise would be unsensible!

P-J · 16 October 2002, 17:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
Well, it might not be that bad to have a new Sensi soccer. from what I read from that Jon Hare interview someone linked here, I bet they would have done the thing in 3D, and this sucks.

HOWEVER, I would love to see a NEW Sensi Soccer for the GBA, in glorious 2D.

The last SWOS game on the PC was a 3D release, and quite frankly, I loved every minute of it. I'd welcome a 3D 'SS' game, since the last effort was so good. It wasn't TOO 3D mind.

LaundroMat · 16 October 2002, 17:22

You're kidding, right? The latest SWOS on PC was a downright very lousy footy game.

Ian · 16 October 2002, 17:37

Now now children, one mans chalk is another mans cheese

CPC464 · 16 October 2002, 18:26

Re: SWOS - The End?

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This Can't be

P-J · 16 October 2002, 18:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Now now children, one mans chalk is another mans cheese

I love that phrase, and you're right.

It's just my opinion I've stated, and there's no need to post a one-liner to get back at me. I liked it, and it's not possible to change my mind

Amiga1992 · 16 October 2002, 20:03

Yep, the LAST PC SWOS was 3D. teh 2D PC SWOS was released before SWOS 3D.

I don't know, something about it was not right in my eyes... Not seeing dinky little players took the Sensi feel out of it for me

Shatterhand · 16 October 2002, 22:15

It wasn´t called SWOS the 3D game, it was called Sensible Soccer something.

child of Thor · 17 October 2002, 22:41

I've just started a new swos game - i need not have worried that it might be showing it's age(amiga 95/96 version!). One of the all time greats. And i only ever really play it in managment mode - Its a superb strategy game! Never played the 3D version - but i doubt i would have liked it better. Additions that i felt would be good to do in a new version(i guess pc only

) - extend the managment options further with a few things like ground improvements, player specific training(to improve fitness/speed/finishing etc), and a more realistic budget system.
All the real sensi-players might not use these functions but for the managment side of things this would be awesome. This game is so addictive(put it this way its as much fun as medieval Total War on the pc, and this is the second time around for swos!).

Amiga1992 · 18 October 2002, 05:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Shatterhand
It wasn´t called SWOS the 3D game, it was called Sensible Soccer something.

SOWS 3D methinks?

Shatterhand · 18 October 2002, 06:16

man, look at this!

www.sensiblesoftware.com

it's at least, weird!

The 3D game is called Sensible Soccer 98, NOT SWOS 3D or SWOS anything. It's just Sensible Soccer 98 , without the word "world" .

I personally had lost hope of a new sensible soccer ages ago. It doesn't matter, they would NEVER stick with the original idea, because it wouldn't sell. Now without Jon Hare, Sensible Software is gone, Sensible soccer is gone. Even if they make a new one, it will never be like the one I know.

Now I am off to a game of the original SWOS. Leave me alone

Amiga1992 · 18 October 2002, 07:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Shatterhand
man, look at this!
www.sensiblesoftware.com

How about this one?

http://www.sensiblesoftware.co.uk

15 October 2002, 12:21	#1
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	SWOS - The End? It gets worse. I just checked SWOS 24/7 for the first time in a while, and the top news is that Jon Hare has left Codemasters [the peeps that bought Sensible out]. By my reckoning, this lessens the chance of a future SWOS game by about 100%. There is a petition on SWOS 24/7 (and on several other sites) demanding a new game, but if Codemasters had wanted to do a version for, say, the GBA, they would surely have done so by now. That would have been cool. But ooh no. Good thing the Amiga version is so playable; I will probably be able to keep playing the current edition forever. It would have been nice to try a brand new edition though. Someone cheer me up, please!

15 October 2002, 20:15	#2
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	A quick lesson in business economics 1). Codemasters own the Copyright to the Sensible name and to all their games. 2). They also own all the source code, graphics and sound to all versions of all Sensible games. 3). SWOS was a big money spinner, and there is no way on this planet that Codemasters would let SWOS not get further releases, after all, there is no point buying all that stuff if Cannon Fodder is the only release! I would bet my life, you will see SWOS again on other formats. The end.

16 October 2002, 11:53	#3
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	Gee, thanks OK, you’re on. I know all of these things already, but thanks for the positive outlook. I hope you are right. I just wonder what Codemasters are playing at, as they have sat on the Sensible acquisition since 1999 and done nothing with their oh-so-valuable football franchise. Why not? Waiting for 3D games to go out of fashion? Now one of the blokes largely responsible for SWOS has walked out. This does not tell me that they believe in it very much. btw, can everyone sign the petition, please? What the hey - it can't hurt.

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16 October 2002, 15:02	#4
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	But without Jon Hare at the forefront of the game design, would you really want to see a conversion done by someone else? Whilst I was never a Sensi soccer fan,(but had followed Sesible Software from their C64 days), I respect the obvious efforts that Jon Hare & co. at sensible put into the gameplay of the Sensible Soccer games to make them the success they were.

16 October 2002, 17:22	#9
LaundroMat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the cellar. With your mum. Age: 49 Posts: 404	You're kidding, right? The latest SWOS on PC was a downright very lousy footy game.

16 October 2002, 17:37	#10
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Now now children, one mans chalk is another mans cheese

16 October 2002, 18:26	#11
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 54 Posts: 393	Re: SWOS - The End? NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This Can't be

16 October 2002, 20:03	#13
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Yep, the LAST PC SWOS was 3D. teh 2D PC SWOS was released before SWOS 3D. I don't know, something about it was not right in my eyes... Not seeing dinky little players took the Sensi feel out of it for me

16 October 2002, 22:15	#14
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	It wasn´t called SWOS the 3D game, it was called Sensible Soccer something.

17 October 2002, 22:41	#15
child of Thor Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 24	I've just started a new swos game - i need not have worried that it might be showing it's age(amiga 95/96 version!). One of the all time greats. And i only ever really play it in managment mode - Its a superb strategy game! Never played the 3D version - but i doubt i would have liked it better. Additions that i felt would be good to do in a new version(i guess pc only ) - extend the managment options further with a few things like ground improvements, player specific training(to improve fitness/speed/finishing etc), and a more realistic budget system. All the real sensi-players might not use these functions but for the managment side of things this would be awesome. This game is so addictive(put it this way its as much fun as medieval Total War on the pc, and this is the second time around for swos!).

18 October 2002, 06:16	#17
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	man, look at this! www.sensiblesoftware.com it's at least, weird! The 3D game is called Sensible Soccer 98, NOT SWOS 3D or SWOS anything. It's just Sensible Soccer 98 , without the word "world" . I personally had lost hope of a new sensible soccer ages ago. It doesn't matter, they would NEVER stick with the original idea, because it wouldn't sell. Now without Jon Hare, Sensible Software is gone, Sensible soccer is gone. Even if they make a new one, it will never be like the one I know. Now I am off to a game of the original SWOS. Leave me alone

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