Whdload works in Winuae, not with A1200 (nothing happens)

emuola · 26 September 2009, 14:11

I'm new to this whdload stuff, but I managed to buy/register and got the games running fine from a cd-hd, which is used as a "real" Amiga hd in Winuae.

The problem is that when I try the same cf-hd in my A1200 (KS 3.1, mtec 1230, 8MB, 2 Gb cf-hd and ClassicWB Lite), browse the game folder and double-click the icon, nothing happens. If I try the whdload by just typing "whdload" the program at least runs. With the same procedure I get the games running just fine in Winuae. Weird.

Whdload is installed in the boot partition (dh0) and games are in dh1.

Any way to track this problem down?

TCD · 26 September 2009, 14:21

Put WHDLoad in the folder 'C' of DH0 on your Amiga. That should do the trick.

emuola · 26 September 2009, 14:24

I have the file WHDLoad in "C" of dh0. I also have the WHDLoad.key there. Like I said the same hd works in Winuae (added as a hard drive), but not with real A1200.

*edit*
Ok, I found out some info regarding a 68030, which I apparently have onboad with the Mtec 1230... Could that be the problem?
*edit*

TCD · 26 September 2009, 15:07

Does it work when you call it from the CLI?
'CD' to the folder with the game and type 'WHDLoad <Name of the slave>.slave'.

emuola · 26 September 2009, 16:12

Unfortunately no, I etiher get nothing (cursor just moves to next line) or I get "Recoverable alert. Press left mouse button to continue". I re-installed whdload on the real Amiga (with the installer), but the result is the same.

How is this possible? Everythign else works equally with A1200/WInuae

TCD · 26 September 2009, 16:14

Get SnoopDos and see what happens when you try to start WHDLoad. Maybe it's a missing library.

emuola · 26 September 2009, 19:43

Ok, I attached a Snoopdos log (sorry for the messy layout). I really can't think of anything else than a hardware difference, because I haven't selected a "608030" in Winuae, and my Amiga has that.

Can someone please help, this is really getting frystrating

I'm having a problem, that actually doesn't exist, or at least shouldn't...

Any other program I try, works ok. So this has to be something whdload-related.

Galahad/FLT · 26 September 2009, 19:50

Sounds like your memory module(s) isn't correctly seated to me.

If its doing a recoverable alert almost immediately, either its a program crashing or its running out of memory.

Toni Wilen · 26 September 2009, 19:57

Perhaps Maxtransfer issue?

emuola · 26 September 2009, 21:29

I'll do a memtest soon

I'll put the mob after the guy that sold me this if the mem is faulty...

About the maxtransfer, what's that? I found out that it's a hd "setting", but where to find it?

prowler · 26 September 2009, 21:37

Hi emulola,
It's a setting in HDToolbox. Have a look here:
Prepping compactflash as IDE drive
with emphasis on MaxTransfer value.

emuola · 27 September 2009, 15:04

Ok, I think I found the reason... It is the 8 meg module installed to the Mtec 1230. I replaced the module with a 4Mb one (haven't got any bigger modules atm) and whdload works fine

I also ran a couple of memtest utilities and both of them had some errors with the 8 meg module. Actually, the other app had errors also with the 4 meg module, but at least the few games I tried worked ok, so I'm thinking I just didn't know how to use the memtest.

Because I'm a pessimist when we talk about computers, I'd like to know what memtest utility I should use and how? Just to make sure my computer is really ok. And the seller avoids the mob...

So, it *seems* that I finally have a working A1200

Galahad/FLT · 27 September 2009, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by emuola

Ok, I think I found the reason... It is the 8 meg module installed to the Mtec 1230. I replaced the module with a 4Mb one (haven't got any bigger modules atm) and whdload works fine

I also ran a couple of memtest utilities and both of them had some errors with the 8 meg module. Actually, the other app had errors also with the 4 meg module, but at least the few games I tried worked ok, so I'm thinking I just didn't know how to use the memtest.

Because I'm a pessimist when we talk about computers, I'd like to know what memtest utility I should use and how? Just to make sure my computer is really ok. And the seller avoids the mob...

So, it *seems* that I finally have a working A1200

* Galahad pats himself on the back

Retro-Nerd · 27 September 2009, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by emuola

Ok, I think I found the reason... It is the 8 meg module installed to the Mtec 1230. I replaced the module with a 4Mb one (haven't got any bigger modules atm) and whdload works fine

I also ran a couple of memtest utilities and both of them had some errors with the 8 meg module. Actually, the other app had errors also with the 4 meg module, but at least the few games I tried worked ok, so I'm thinking I just didn't know how to use the memtest.

Because I'm a pessimist when we talk about computers, I'd like to know what memtest utility I should use and how? Just to make sure my computer is really ok. And the seller avoids the mob...

So, it *seems* that I finally have a working A1200

Well, i have a 1230 M-Tec and had some strange WHDLoad bugs too with 8MB. In ClassicWB s: you find the whdload.prefs. Open it with an editior and remove the ";" in this line. This fixed all my problems. Worth a try.

Quote:

;NoFilter ;disable audio filter
;NoFlushMem ;do not flush memory
NoMemReverse ;do not allocate memory reverse

emuola · 28 September 2009, 16:56

Thanks for the tip Retro-Nerd

Now when I start whdload with that 8 meg memory module installed, I first get "Recoverable alert. Pres left mouse button to contunue" and then if I press the button whdload actually starts and seems to work ok. Strange? Is it possible, that the memory is faulty, but it still "works" with "NoMemReverse" -option enabled? I'll get a few 8 meg modules for test in a few days. This is still somewhat puzzling

Retro-Nerd · 28 September 2009, 18:01

Is this "Recoverable Alert" really memory related? Maybe an incompible library? I have no clue. Try if something like "The Settlers" works fine. This game needs a lot of memory for preloading. You should try the suggested new Maxtransfer value too.

emuola · 28 September 2009, 19:22

Ok, can I change the maxtransfer value without wiping the whole partition away? I suppose everything hdtoolbox related does that. I'm really no expert, but can it really be hd-related (max transfer), if it works fine with lesser memory?

Retro-Nerd · 28 September 2009, 19:38

Do you get this "Recoverable Alert" message at any WHDLoad game? You said that a tested game works fine with 8 MB. I'm still not convinced that your 8MB module is broken somehow. WHDLoad is sometimes like a X-file.

emuola · 28 September 2009, 21:04

I tested a number of games and I always first get the "recoverable error...". But when I press the left mouse button I get back to wb and whdload starts without problems. I know, it's weird

If I comment the NoMemReverse -setting out, I only get the "Recoverable error..." and after presing the left mousebutton I get back to wb, but no whdload whatsoever.

emuola · 29 September 2009, 17:12

Ok, maybe I'm on to something here...

I tested with another 8 meg module, same result. Then I acidentally found out, that after I have started whdload (from cli or by double clicking) and gotten the "Recoverable alert. Error 100 000c..." once, the same thing happens if I just doubleclick for example the Shell icon in the lower right corner of ClassicWB Lite. However this does not happen with all the icons on the desktop. This suggests that memory gets corrupted when I first run whdload, right?

I then found out about some trouble with whdload and "anticlick" feature in ClassicWB (or some similar anti click utility). I then tried to change the anticlick to Disabled, but I immediately got "Software failure..." and Miggy rebooted. I then changed the memory to 4 Mb and I then was able to disable the anticlick. Unfortunately that didn't cure the original problem, because with 8 megs I still get the "Recoverable alert..." when starting whdload.

Anyway I then started to disable the utilities that load automatically on startup and it seems that pressing the Enable/disable button always ends up with "Software failure..." and the setting remains unchanged. This does not happen with 4 megs installed.

So it seems there's something wrong with ClassicWB and 8 megs on a M-tec 1230. This is the best conclusion I can end up with. I haven't tried to disable all the possible utilities yet, cause I'd like to hear you opinion on this first.

*edit*
One interesting thing is that "my" "Recoverable error..." is red (just like software failure) and not yellow as it should? be at least according to wikipedia. I really don't know if this is just unnecessary crap, but I decided to report anyway
*edit*

I would really like to hear your comments on this. Maybe this should be moved to ClassicWB sub-forum?

26 September 2009, 14:11	#1
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Whdload works in Winuae, not with A1200 (nothing happens) I'm new to this whdload stuff, but I managed to buy/register and got the games running fine from a cd-hd, which is used as a "real" Amiga hd in Winuae. The problem is that when I try the same cf-hd in my A1200 (KS 3.1, mtec 1230, 8MB, 2 Gb cf-hd and ClassicWB Lite), browse the game folder and double-click the icon, nothing happens. If I try the whdload by just typing "whdload" the program at least runs. With the same procedure I get the games running just fine in Winuae. Weird. Whdload is installed in the boot partition (dh0) and games are in dh1. Any way to track this problem down?

26 September 2009, 14:24	#3
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	I have the file WHDLoad in "C" of dh0. I also have the WHDLoad.key there. Like I said the same hd works in Winuae (added as a hard drive), but not with real A1200. edit Ok, I found out some info regarding a 68030, which I apparently have onboad with the Mtec 1230... Could that be the problem? edit Last edited by emuola; 26 September 2009 at 14:43.

26 September 2009, 19:43	#7
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, I attached a Snoopdos log (sorry for the messy layout). I really can't think of anything else than a hardware difference, because I haven't selected a "608030" in Winuae, and my Amiga has that. Can someone please help, this is really getting frystrating I'm having a problem, that actually doesn't exist, or at least shouldn't... Any other program I try, works ok. So this has to be something whdload-related. Last edited by emuola; 16 October 2009 at 14:09.

28 September 2009, 18:01	#16
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,445	Is this "Recoverable Alert" really memory related? Maybe an incompible library? I have no clue. Try if something like "The Settlers" works fine. This game needs a lot of memory for preloading. You should try the suggested new Maxtransfer value too. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 28 September 2009 at 18:08.

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26 September 2009, 14:21	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,607	Put WHDLoad in the folder 'C' of DH0 on your Amiga. That should do the trick.

26 September 2009, 15:07	#4
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,607	Does it work when you call it from the CLI? 'CD' to the folder with the game and type 'WHDLoad <Name of the slave>.slave'.

26 September 2009, 16:12	#5
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Unfortunately no, I etiher get nothing (cursor just moves to next line) or I get "Recoverable alert. Press left mouse button to continue". I re-installed whdload on the real Amiga (with the installer), but the result is the same. How is this possible? Everythign else works equally with A1200/WInuae

26 September 2009, 16:14	#6
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,607	Get SnoopDos and see what happens when you try to start WHDLoad. Maybe it's a missing library.

26 September 2009, 19:50	#8
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,994	Sounds like your memory module(s) isn't correctly seated to me. If its doing a recoverable alert almost immediately, either its a program crashing or its running out of memory.

26 September 2009, 19:57	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,516	Perhaps Maxtransfer issue?

26 September 2009, 21:29	#10
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	I'll do a memtest soon I'll put the mob after the guy that sold me this if the mem is faulty... About the maxtransfer, what's that? I found out that it's a hd "setting", but where to find it?

26 September 2009, 21:37	#11
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Hi emulola, It's a setting in HDToolbox. Have a look here: Prepping compactflash as IDE drive with emphasis on MaxTransfer value.

27 September 2009, 15:04	#12
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, I think I found the reason... It is the 8 meg module installed to the Mtec 1230. I replaced the module with a 4Mb one (haven't got any bigger modules atm) and whdload works fine I also ran a couple of memtest utilities and both of them had some errors with the 8 meg module. Actually, the other app had errors also with the 4 meg module, but at least the few games I tried worked ok, so I'm thinking I just didn't know how to use the memtest. Because I'm a pessimist when we talk about computers, I'd like to know what memtest utility I should use and how? Just to make sure my computer is really ok. And the seller avoids the mob... So, it seems that I finally have a working A1200

28 September 2009, 16:56	#15
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Thanks for the tip Retro-Nerd Now when I start whdload with that 8 meg memory module installed, I first get "Recoverable alert. Pres left mouse button to contunue" and then if I press the button whdload actually starts and seems to work ok. Strange? Is it possible, that the memory is faulty, but it still "works" with "NoMemReverse" -option enabled? I'll get a few 8 meg modules for test in a few days. This is still somewhat puzzling

28 September 2009, 19:22	#17
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, can I change the maxtransfer value without wiping the whole partition away? I suppose everything hdtoolbox related does that. I'm really no expert, but can it really be hd-related (max transfer), if it works fine with lesser memory?

28 September 2009, 19:38	#18
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,445	Do you get this "Recoverable Alert" message at any WHDLoad game? You said that a tested game works fine with 8 MB. I'm still not convinced that your 8MB module is broken somehow. WHDLoad is sometimes like a X-file.

28 September 2009, 21:04	#19
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	I tested a number of games and I always first get the "recoverable error...". But when I press the left mouse button I get back to wb and whdload starts without problems. I know, it's weird If I comment the NoMemReverse -setting out, I only get the "Recoverable error..." and after presing the left mousebutton I get back to wb, but no whdload whatsoever.

29 September 2009, 17:12	#20
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, maybe I'm on to something here... I tested with another 8 meg module, same result. Then I acidentally found out, that after I have started whdload (from cli or by double clicking) and gotten the "Recoverable alert. Error 100 000c..." once, the same thing happens if I just doubleclick for example the Shell icon in the lower right corner of ClassicWB Lite. However this does not happen with all the icons on the desktop. This suggests that memory gets corrupted when I first run whdload, right? I then found out about some trouble with whdload and "anticlick" feature in ClassicWB (or some similar anti click utility). I then tried to change the anticlick to Disabled, but I immediately got "Software failure..." and Miggy rebooted. I then changed the memory to 4 Mb and I then was able to disable the anticlick. Unfortunately that didn't cure the original problem, because with 8 megs I still get the "Recoverable alert..." when starting whdload. Anyway I then started to disable the utilities that load automatically on startup and it seems that pressing the Enable/disable button always ends up with "Software failure..." and the setting remains unchanged. This does not happen with 4 megs installed. So it seems there's something wrong with ClassicWB and 8 megs on a M-tec 1230. This is the best conclusion I can end up with. I haven't tried to disable all the possible utilities yet, cause I'd like to hear you opinion on this first. edit One interesting thing is that "my" "Recoverable error..." is red (just like software failure) and not yellow as it should? be at least according to wikipedia. I really don't know if this is just unnecessary crap, but I decided to report anyway edit I would really like to hear your comments on this. Maybe this should be moved to ClassicWB sub-forum?

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