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This is not correct. Philippe can state that his cases fit Individual Computer's new Amiga PCBs, Keyrah or whatever without asking permission, this would not be a violation of trademarks or illegal anticompetitive practice as long as this information is technically correct. Or do you think that you may not sell vacuum cleaner bags, printer cartridges or windscreen wipers without being allowed to mention which models they fit?
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For me there are two kind of poeple (when it comes to producing hardware/software for the amiga):
The ones who make announcements of (maybe) soon-to-come products and the ones who make announcements of deliverable products. Personally, after all these years I prefer listening to people which delivered products in the past as they're very likely going to deliver in the future as well. Period. I don't even count 'selling' hand-made prototypes to interested people. Empty promises about never coming products and their fancy features is 'killing' the community IMHO. So, I stay at ICs products as they can be bought, you get support and there will be more products. Everyone else should refrain of making statements like 'the next super-duper accelerator based on (FPGA/68k) is soon to come' as long as there is not even the date in sight when the product can be put on the shelf. |
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No, point is that there are projects with a future and projects without. Is it really about 'badmouthing' as such or is more that Jens has the experience about what it needs to create a product for customers (which is proven) and others maybe not?
Kickstarting a project doesn't give you the experience or knowledge of how to create a product for the 'mass'. But I am under the strong impression that it is only about "we need the money, everything else will come". I don't know Jens personally, nor do I know personally any other person of this topic. Maybe Jens could be more diplomatic, but this is only by judging what I (and all others) can read here. |
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All very interesting.... but back on topic perhaps? Motherboards from Jens.....
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Sorry if I caused any confusion. I just used your comment to state what the law actually says about this. A point was made that using IC's name and products was illegitimate and I wanted to correct this. I generally don't like to think in terms of "camps". I just wanted to state a fact and the snippet quoted from your comment was a good opportunity to add this fact in context.
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99% of the drama in this thread has been by people pronouncing interpretations and their own offence at being third party to their subjective interpretations of what has been said. Surely the mods can move this into a different thread and I can continue to read about motherboards from Jens without having to read this self-perpetuating drama?
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So the 68020 softcores used on various other FPGA systems are superior then, since they can actually run software such as OS3.9?
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Once this is done, only then will you have the information you need to make it "more compatible," if that's even possible. So plan your strategy carefully! |
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generall speaking, you dont exchange the accelerator in your amiga every time you run another app, so why expect it of fpga accelerator now? its totally exaggerated demand imho. |
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I am certainly looking forward to trying this accelerator in my 600, and I certainly do not expect it to be 100% compatible with any existing CPUs, although it would be nice if it was. To get a major speed bump, you need to accept some compatibility problems, like it was the case when 040/060 Amigas came out. Much of the old stuff did not work any longer and had to be rewritten/patched. Although maybe not to begin with but eventually, I would close to 100% compatibility with the most common SW like WB 3.1-3.9, libraries and system friendly software.
This being said, some compatibility mode would be nice, for example which could be activated in runtime when running WHDLoad which would disable some of the new fancy stuff. Although this would slow down the CPU, WHDLoad slaves generally don't require a massively fast CPU anyway. |
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simply dont make sensless accusations and assumptions based on nothing but your imagination and you may be taken seriously one day.
btw. isnt this thread about jens products? why not post where the subject belong to? |
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