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Old 21 February 2020, 20:41   #1
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advice for a samsung screen

A small request. I'm trying to find a flat screen, for my amiga cd32 with a 328 expansion board. (and an amiga RGB port).
I found a list that gives an overview of 15 Khz monitors that support amiga signal. For me a RGB connecting to a scart port is well enough, as long as I have a stable no flickering desktop.

This one is cheap and doesn't look bad: Samsung SyncMaster 940 mw

It is a 2002 screen or so, but is the age a problem by definition ?
On the forum here, it is mentioned by other people, but not clearly.

Does anybody had experience with this screen in combination with commodore computers like amiga? Others told me it is possible to get a very good resolution screen by using RGB to scart for most monitors. I like to try that.
My CRT gives a good picture for games, but the 50 hz screen, gives me a headache when using workbench desktop....

All tips are Welcome!

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Old 22 February 2020, 03:08   #2
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You should get a nice picture through RGB Scart with most TVs of this era however like the Amiga the suffer similar issues with surface mounted capacitors, therefore it might also need servicing at some point. I have a couple of early 00s TVs and they're both starting to play up a bit now.

I have a 32in Sony LCD that's still rocking well, 3 scart inputs and even a 720p HDMi very early HD ready model.
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Old 22 February 2020, 08:53   #3
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I danced for quite a while with LCD PC monitors. The ones that have analog inputs, support Amiga frequencies and such. And my recommendation would be...

Go for a 4:3 LCD TV They are pretty cheap, and easy to find. You'll get analog inputs and 50Hz.

If possible, go for panels with higher res than 640x480. Aim for 800x600 or ideally 1024x768.
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Old 23 February 2020, 13:09   #4
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Thanks guys, good information. Would it be possible to mention some types number which I could check out? It should be the type of panels that were available in north europe. By the way, it is getting more and more difficult to find 4:3 flat panels. Is there a specific keyword that works? 4:3 doesn't work really well on websites here.

There is this list, but it is very picky in specs and qualities: http://15khz.wikidot.com/
Make me feel insecure about what I need and what I should look for.
The comments are not always consistent it seems.

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Old 24 February 2020, 13:15   #5
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(The comments are not always consistent it seems...)
I meant here the comments at the side 15khz wikidot, please do not take offense.

It is not always clear what those panels can do on this site.. That makes it hard to pick one. I tried, but no succes yet. 4:3 has no success on local advert sites here in europe. I would prefer a combination. support for 25hz RGB amiga signal (no flickering), a good screen to watch a movie, SCART, s-vhs, hdmi, VGA. That would make is a great hobby monitor. LG did some in the past, I would accept the black sides.
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Old 24 February 2020, 13:42   #6
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Yeah, don't bother with that list. It's mostly PC screens. And even when they can take the Amiga signal there are some other issues (centering, saving settings, 60Hz jerkiness, banding). Some problems can be lessened by fiddling with settings (pixel clock, phase, positioning), but something will always remain to annoy you.

So... TVs, eh... Preferably the 4:3 kind. Analog inputs, native 15Khz/50Hz support, way fewer problems at the start.

What should you go for? 20 inchers. Or (the holy grail) 21 inchers. 19 inchers and less are (extremely) unlikely to have a higher res than 640x480. And you certainly don't want a screen with anything less then Amiga's beautiful 640x512 res. Don't get me wrong, even a 640x480 screen will display your Amiga's screen, but, you know...
So go to your local ads and search for 20 and 21 (fingers crossed) inch TVs. Just disregard the wide ones and it should come down to a rather narrow list. Most ads wont tell you the screen resolution, so always go and do a search on their model number and you will get the tech data.

Brands recommendation: Toshiba, Sony... and I even got one Acer 20 inch 800x600 TV. Imagine that...

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Thank mr. AGA! That helps.
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Old 24 February 2020, 21:45   #8
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I am very happy with my Samsung SyncMaster TV (T24BE350EW). Bought it years ago because it had all the connections (SCART, VGA, HDMI, composite even i think or is it s-video). It's 1080p etc etc.

It's a widescreen with an option to go 4:3 (with the side-bars).

I know you are looking for 4:3, just saying that a flatscreen tv is not a bad choice (if you don't want CRT for the scanlines).
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Old 25 February 2020, 19:45   #9
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thanks all.

I am having a hard time with the difference between tv or monitor.
This 15 Khz limitation problem where I read about, is this only important when taking a 'monitor' instead of a tv? Like on tv's, an amiga signal always works via scart?

What will happen than if a tv supports not lower as 30 khz signal?
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I use an Acer G276HL which supports the Amiga 15 Khz with an RGB to VGA adapter and I love it.

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Old 26 February 2020, 09:50   #11
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thanks all.

I am having a hard time with the difference between tv or monitor.
This 15 Khz limitation problem where I read about, is this only important when taking a 'monitor' instead of a tv? Like on tv's, an amiga signal always works via scart?

What will happen than if a tv supports not lower as 30 khz signal?
I don't think it will happen any time soon. Don't worry If a TV has an analog input it will support 15KHz.

And as fitzsteve and Hedeon have said, you could also get a bigger widescreen TV 32+ inch. And have an all in one solution. Amiga, PC, TV programs... Black sidebars wont bother you. I use 4:3 TVs as dedicated screens because they save space. But a widescreen allrounder is perfectly fine. And even easier to find
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Thanks Lord Aga,can you supply a brand and types for this.
For example: "Samsung syncmaster tv/monitor" was a production line around 2005 that had many connectors. (allrounder).
Those syncmasters are very old now. And not suitable for movies.

Searching on "allrounder" will not give much result.

If there is an 'allrounder' out there, with HD and HDMI,
but all the old connectors as well including 15 khz support on scart and all connectors,
it would be an utopia for us retro fans, but I doubt there is.
The tv sections of Local market sites here are seriously huge, and are not coded to filter out the 'allrounder' tv's us,
as a niche group would need. So , what are the magic words to find a modern screen with all we need?
(given those are built)

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Hi RCMAN, thanks for the idea. this G276HL supports:

DVI in: 1 x
VGA in: 1 x
HDMI in: 1 x

So, you are using it with a RGB to VGA, and that works good.
Great. A monitor solution. Thanks for sharing.
Still since my limited space, I will try to find a 'allrounder' solution.
(But I start to feel like Don Quichot trying to find an illusion...)

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Hi RCMAN, thanks for the idea. this G276HL supports:

DVI in: 1 x
VGA in: 1 x
HDMI in: 1 x

So, you are using it with a RGB to VGA, and that works good.
Great. A monitor solution. Thanks for sharing.
Still since my limited space, I will try to find a 'allrounder' solution.
(But I start to feel like Don Quichot trying to find an illusion...)
Yes and I love it. I haven't even changed the settings right now been too busy workingo n other stuff.

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Is the interlace mode also showing with the G276HL?
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Is the interlace mode also showing with the G276HL?
I will test it soon. I was just so excited it worked through the RGB to VGA adapter I didn't try any other modes.

I will tonight and let you know.

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Thanks Lord Aga,can you supply a brand and types for this.
For example: "Samsung syncmaster tv/monitor" was a production line around 2005 that had many connectors. (allrounder).
Those syncmasters are very old now. And not suitable for movies.

Searching on "allrounder" will not give much result.

If there is an 'allrounder' out there, with HD and HDMI,
but all the old connectors as well including 15 khz support on scart and all connectors,
it would be an utopia for us retro fans, but I doubt there is.
The tv sections of Local market sites here are seriously huge, and are not coded to filter out the 'allrounder' tv's us,
as a niche group would need. So , what are the magic words to find a modern screen with all we need?
(given those are built)
Ah, that's because you should do a search for an "Amiga allrounder"

Jokes aside, you will be happy to hear that the thing you are searching for is much more common than you think.

You haven't said what is the max size you can go for. Can you fit a 32 incher? If yes then you're in for a treat of quality Amiga-compatible TV sets.

Fortunately, we are in Europe so almost every 2000-2015 32'' TV you'll find will have SCART inputs (plus composite, possibly S-Video, component, VGA...) and be 15KHz/50Hz compatible. Again, the ad is unlikely to tell you all the inputs and res, so you will have to do some specs searching. You should aim for Full HD TVs (1080p) with SCART (other analog inputs are a plus).

As far as brands are concerned, I would say go for the Japanese. Sony, Sharp, Toshiba. They are at the top of reliability list. I've got me some 15+ year old TVs here that are still in mint condition, and have never had a hiccup in their performance. Heck, my 2009 Sharp LC-42DH77E still has original batteries in its remote!!! Top quality tech.

Here be some piccies:

https://pasteboard.co/IWCTGOC.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/IWCTnhn.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/IWCT0Il.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/IWCSFp7.jpg

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Sorry, I was busy last days, so this reply is very late.

Hi Lord Aga. Good joke I see your point.
Nice pictures, and those screens don't even look to ugly big.
But what is the magic of 32" ? Why isn't there a smaller screen doing the same?
I have not unlimited space in my little hobby room.

Does your 15 year old tv has 1080p? If not, I guess it hasn't got HDMI as well.
I know it is asked too much,but it would be great if that is possible in combination with the rest of demands.
Thanks a lot you for your detailed explanation. Now the only thing I need to do is to analyse every offer I see on the local adverts and see if it has all ports and to check all online manuals. Pity there isn't a clear list of tested tv's by the community for several different commodore and other retro computers...
Well, i guess just find my way in it. Thanks everybody for the replies, so far.
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