PRotracker with MIDI clock capabilities?

Amiga1992 · 12 June 2010, 23:05

Which version of Protracker can sync to an external MIDI clock???
I been pulling my hair trying to find one.
Is there such thing?
Startrekker doesn't allow this.
Noisetracker locks up in my A600.
PT2.3d accepts external note input and start/stop messages, but not sync (= useless)

Please help!

(The first one recommending to use OctaMED gets a kick in the balls)

Frog · 12 June 2010, 23:49

I Think OctaMED will offer you better MIDI support than Protracker

Twiggy · 12 June 2010, 23:51

For some reason OctaMED is disliked by a few.

Amiga1992 · 12 June 2010, 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frog

I Think OctaMED will offer you better MIDI support than Protracker

/me FURIOUSLY KICKS FROG IN THE BALLS.

Did you read my original post?

Why do I *always* have to explain why OctaMED sucks for me?
It's simple: the interface is HORRIBLE and useless.
Can we move on?

Frog · 13 June 2010, 00:05

@Akira : It looks like my brain chose to omit the concerning octamed sentence.
I would not say much furthermore except that all this is a question of taste especially if MIDI support is correct.

Amiga1992 · 13 June 2010, 01:26

It goes beyond 'taste', a software's user interface impacts highly on its usability and resulting productivity!!

Hungry Horace · 13 June 2010, 22:16

except for the fact OctaMED and Protracker are incredibly similar

maybe it's time you gave it another try? Since it will give you the MIDI functions you crave.

TCD · 13 June 2010, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Which version of Protracker can sync to an external MIDI clock???

Are you sure there is one? Haven't checked them all, but I don't think that there was one with sync support.

jotd · 13 June 2010, 22:31

I used to do a lot of techno tracks with OctaMED. I evolved from ProTracker. You get used to it after a while.
Well, that's much better than Bar n Pipes!!!!

On the PC there's ModPlugTracker which read mod files and has midi support.

Amiga1992 · 14 June 2010, 03:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

except for the fact OctaMED and Protracker are incredibly similar

maybe it's time you gave it another try? Since it will give you the MIDI functions you crave.

They are totally different, I AM trying it

TCD:no, I am NOT sure there is one.
Can any of the coding whizzes hack into 2.3d and add this for me? The sources are available. I'll pay you to do this! It can't be that hard to receive the pulses from the external MIDI source instead of VBL or CIA... it's just ticks.

daxb · 14 June 2010, 10:46

Yes, I also tried OCSS but never got into it. Similar are PT and DBP.

Leffmann · 14 June 2010, 18:06

This timing info would also need to be stored in the module and made use of by the replay routine, or the whole feature would be for the user's own amusement only. It takes a lot more work and effort to get into the sources and extend the program than one would think.

Amiga1992 · 14 June 2010, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

This timing info would also need to be stored in the module and made use of by the replay routine

No, that's totally unnecessary.
MODs don't have this info and Octamed plays them just fine IN SYNC WITH EXTERNAL CLOCK.

If you have an external MIDI clock, it follows those ticks, if you don't, it follows VBL or CIA, whatever you are using.

IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE .MOD FORMAT AT ALL.
Any MOD will work. Even the SPEED command makes shuffles in time signature while using external sync.

Just try OctaMED with ANY MOD.

Seriously, I'd like this modified, I'll pay.
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13359 <includes sourcecode in archive.

Could be done on 1.3 if that helps.
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13414

Hungry Horace · 14 June 2010, 22:31

good luck getting people to do the work for you when you keep typing in caps at people who could actually do it for you

Leffmann · 14 June 2010, 22:34

I don't know much about MIDI but I always thought that the song speed could be changed as it played along, and if this was the case then you would need to record these changes in speed unless you want to have the MIDI signal source present every time you want to listen to the song. Anyway, if you know the exact BPM why can't you set it directly in the tracker?

I checked the PT 2.0 sources and they are 344 kB in size and barely commented. I hope you find someone who wants to dig into that, but I wouldn't hold my breath

Amiga1992 · 14 June 2010, 23:02

Hungry Horace, what you say is pointless and trolling. I am just remarking text. Because this is obvious to me as a musician but not to a coder. Why would any coder know any of this crazy music shit?

Leffman!:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

if this was the case then you would need to record these changes in speed unless you want to have the MIDI signal source present every time you want to listen to the song.

Kind of: EXACTLY!

When you sync to an external source you must have it present. When you don't, the software syncs to itself, whatever you have set in its preferences, in this case, the BPM setting in the Protracker setup screen. When you choose external sync, the tracker will sit there waiting for the clock data to come through the serial port instead of generating it itself out of VBL or CIA ticks.

Quote:

Anyway, if you know the exact BPM why can't you set it directly in the tracker?

Because this is not precise. The BPM timing derived from VBL or CIA is not the same as the clock generated by another source. They will runout of sync. On every cycle I assume some ticks are lost, and while if you hear one source alone it will compensate for itself, when you play more than one, you will notice they drift away from each other slightly and at varying speeds. I wouldn't need MIDI sync if two machines would keep the same clock all the time. This happens among instruments too.

Quote:

I checked the PT 2.0 sources and they are 344 kB in size and barely commented. I hope you find someone who wants to dig into that, but I wouldn't hold my breath

That fucking sucks. I really wish I could code ASM. It's a shame it's not commented too.
Maybe Mr. BUZZ would want to do this?
Paging Buzz... XD

BuZz · 14 June 2010, 23:17

Buzz has no free time, and has hardly used any of his Amigas in months

Sorry. My current hobby project involves a microsoft platform too!

Hungry Horace · 15 June 2010, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Hungry Horace, what you say is pointless and trolling. I am just remarking text. Because this is obvious to me as a musician but not to a coder. Why would any coder know any of this crazy music shit?

it's not trolling, just some friendly advice - your response to Leffman (someone who has previously helped with coding on music additions to BlitzBasic) did not warrant the need for UNNECCESARY AND PATRONISING CAPS.

It is to be a musician *and* a coder you know- I have a BA in Music Tech and it's not unknown for me to dabble in some Asm myself.

Amiga1992 · 15 June 2010, 01:45

Caps are not patronizing, I was explaining something that certainly Leffman did not know about. After all, why would he, he is NOT into MIDI music making, as he clearly said.

Now please go troll someone else

People on the internet man, making such a fuzz about caps lock letters.

12 June 2010, 23:05	#1
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	PRotracker with MIDI clock capabilities? Which version of Protracker can sync to an external MIDI clock??? I been pulling my hair trying to find one. Is there such thing? Startrekker doesn't allow this. Noisetracker locks up in my A600. PT2.3d accepts external note input and start/stop messages, but not sync (= useless) Please help! (The first one recommending to use OctaMED gets a kick in the balls)

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12 June 2010, 23:49	#2
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	I Think OctaMED will offer you better MIDI support than Protracker

12 June 2010, 23:51	#3
Twiggy \m/ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Devon, U.K. Posts: 573	For some reason OctaMED is disliked by a few.

13 June 2010, 00:05	#5
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	@Akira : It looks like my brain chose to omit the concerning octamed sentence. I would not say much furthermore except that all this is a question of taste especially if MIDI support is correct.

13 June 2010, 01:26	#6
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	It goes beyond 'taste', a software's user interface impacts highly on its usability and resulting productivity!!

13 June 2010, 22:16	#7
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	except for the fact OctaMED and Protracker are incredibly similar maybe it's time you gave it another try? Since it will give you the MIDI functions you crave.

13 June 2010, 22:31	#9
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,163	I used to do a lot of techno tracks with OctaMED. I evolved from ProTracker. You get used to it after a while. Well, that's much better than Bar n Pipes!!!! On the PC there's ModPlugTracker which read mod files and has midi support.

14 June 2010, 10:46	#11
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	Yes, I also tried OCSS but never got into it. Similar are PT and DBP.

14 June 2010, 18:06	#12
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	This timing info would also need to be stored in the module and made use of by the replay routine, or the whole feature would be for the user's own amusement only. It takes a lot more work and effort to get into the sources and extend the program than one would think.

14 June 2010, 22:31	#14
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	good luck getting people to do the work for you when you keep typing in caps at people who could actually do it for you

14 June 2010, 22:34	#15
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	I don't know much about MIDI but I always thought that the song speed could be changed as it played along, and if this was the case then you would need to record these changes in speed unless you want to have the MIDI signal source present every time you want to listen to the song. Anyway, if you know the exact BPM why can't you set it directly in the tracker? I checked the PT 2.0 sources and they are 344 kB in size and barely commented. I hope you find someone who wants to dig into that, but I wouldn't hold my breath

14 June 2010, 23:17	#17
BuZz Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oxford / UK Age: 47 Posts: 583	Buzz has no free time, and has hardly used any of his Amigas in months Sorry. My current hobby project involves a microsoft platform too!

15 June 2010, 01:45	#19
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Caps are not patronizing, I was explaining something that certainly Leffman did not know about. After all, why would he, he is NOT into MIDI music making, as he clearly said. Now please go troll someone else People on the internet man, making such a fuzz about caps lock letters.

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