A630 HxC CD

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 18:27

Finally happy with my A600:

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 18:28

fitzsteve · 02 February 2014, 18:31

Lookin' Good

The EIDE is a great solution, I like the cabling. Well done

Retrofan · 02 February 2014, 18:55

Hi M8, how fast does it go with OS3.5?

Edit: Or what OS is it, 3.9?

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 21:07

Hi Retrofan. It's 3.9 with 3.5 backdrop and still not too fast. Improvement over fast 020 is minimal. This is because ECS struggles with 800x600 ,16 colours and fancy icons.
Saying that it's perfectly usable and definitely not slow. Just not as snappy as Amiga should be.
Next few years I'm sure technology will allow for tiny Amiga RTG cards then we all have fancy workbench even on A500 ; )

Retrofan · 02 February 2014, 21:20

What do you do with FFS, mate? Driving Miss Daisy?

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 22:19

I'm not an expert at all, is FFS slow?

Retrofan · 02 February 2014, 23:07

I don't have an speedometer, but PFS3AIO must be twice faster.

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 23:15

Aha! I'll dig into it. Thanks for the tip mate.

Retrofan · 02 February 2014, 23:19

Here you've got a guide: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=831346&postcount=14

lukassid · 02 February 2014, 23:48

Lovely.

fitzsteve · 03 February 2014, 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

I don't have an speedometer, but PFS3AIO must be twice faster.

I don't think the file system can make the device driver any faster, ask thomas/toni willen for the definitive answer. Of course it can make it more efficient but the raw speed is determined by the scsi.device.

Retrofan · 03 February 2014, 00:50

Yes, that won't change (I think). I don't know a way to compare them or if it has ever been done*, although a lot has been written. The best test I've seen comparing FS was when we were trying to use an iso to emulate a CD32 booting from a floppy (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=65163&page=7). The only way it could run -and right- was with PFS3.

*Edit: YES, it has been done; at least with the former, PFS2. Impressive as you can see over SFS even: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/greed/testresults.html

mfilos · 03 February 2014, 10:32

ECS systems aren't much fun on 16 colors and especially greater resolutions like PAL Hi-Res Laced (640x512) or SuperPlus (800x600).

Imho, you have 3 options:
1. You stick to 16 colors and system is ok but not so responsive
2. You stick to 16 colors but decrease resolution (320x240). Yeah it will sux but it will be fast
3. You stick to 8 or less colors and system is fast and nice.

lukassid · 04 February 2014, 22:05

You right mfilos. I stick with 1 but will forever try to improve

lukassid · 05 February 2014, 23:28

Bloody hell, I followed PFS3 guide. After done with it HDTools told me to reboot which I done without formatting new partition. WinUAE refuse to boot with this CF now, same on real Amiga. Even 3.1 from floppy refuses to boot with that CF attached. I got to Fat format and do it again. Nothing easy with this bloody flipping old junk....(ignore my rant)

Edit: HDTools always tell you to reboot after such changes. Same thing again. This time I tried with my patched HD Tools on 3.1 install floppy. I made some space and copied PFS to L on floppy. Everything seems ok but Amiga don't wan't to boot when PFS CF is attached. I'm going to try johnim SFS guide before I throw Amiga in the bin

lukassid · 06 February 2014, 01:06

SFS worked thanks god (and Johnim of course) . Is it slower than PFS?

mfilos · 06 February 2014, 09:49

Nah they are equal in means of speed. It's just that SFS support 020+ while PFS can run on pure 68k.

Retrofan · 06 February 2014, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/greed/testresults.html

...

lukassid · 06 February 2014, 18:31

Hmmm. I'm gonna clone my 3.9 into SFS CF to check if there is any real improvement against FFS first.

02 February 2014, 18:27	#1
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	A630 HxC CD Finally happy with my A600:

02 February 2014, 18:55	#4
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,195	Hi M8, how fast does it go with OS3.5? Edit: Or what OS is it, 3.9? Last edited by Retrofan; 02 February 2014 at 19:18.

03 February 2014, 00:50	#13
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,195	Yes, that won't change (I think). I don't know a way to compare them or if it has ever been done, although a lot has been written. The best test I've seen comparing FS was when we were trying to use an iso to emulate a CD32 booting from a floppy (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=65163&page=7). The only way it could run -and right- was with PFS3. Edit: YES, it has been done; at least with the former, PFS2. Impressive as you can see over SFS even: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/greed/testresults.html Last edited by Retrofan; 03 February 2014 at 09:39.

05 February 2014, 23:28	#16
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Bloody hell, I followed PFS3 guide. After done with it HDTools told me to reboot which I done without formatting new partition. WinUAE refuse to boot with this CF now, same on real Amiga. Even 3.1 from floppy refuses to boot with that CF attached. I got to Fat format and do it again. Nothing easy with this bloody flipping old junk....(ignore my rant) Edit: HDTools always tell you to reboot after such changes. Same thing again. This time I tried with my patched HD Tools on 3.1 install floppy. I made some space and copied PFS to L on floppy. Everything seems ok but Amiga don't wan't to boot when PFS CF is attached. I'm going to try johnim SFS guide before I throw Amiga in the bin Last edited by lukassid; 06 February 2014 at 00:37.

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02 February 2014, 18:28	#2
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390

02 February 2014, 18:31	#3
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Lookin' Good The EIDE is a great solution, I like the cabling. Well done

02 February 2014, 21:07	#5
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Hi Retrofan. It's 3.9 with 3.5 backdrop and still not too fast. Improvement over fast 020 is minimal. This is because ECS struggles with 800x600 ,16 colours and fancy icons. Saying that it's perfectly usable and definitely not slow. Just not as snappy as Amiga should be. Next few years I'm sure technology will allow for tiny Amiga RTG cards then we all have fancy workbench even on A500 ; )

02 February 2014, 21:20	#6
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,195	What do you do with FFS, mate? Driving Miss Daisy?

02 February 2014, 22:19	#7
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	I'm not an expert at all, is FFS slow?

02 February 2014, 23:07	#8
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,195	I don't have an speedometer, but PFS3AIO must be twice faster.

02 February 2014, 23:15	#9
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Aha! I'll dig into it. Thanks for the tip mate.

02 February 2014, 23:19	#10
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,195	Here you've got a guide: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=831346&postcount=14

02 February 2014, 23:48	#11
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Lovely.

03 February 2014, 10:32	#14
mfilos Paranoid Amigoid Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 45 Posts: 1,978	ECS systems aren't much fun on 16 colors and especially greater resolutions like PAL Hi-Res Laced (640x512) or SuperPlus (800x600). Imho, you have 3 options: 1. You stick to 16 colors and system is ok but not so responsive 2. You stick to 16 colors but decrease resolution (320x240). Yeah it will sux but it will be fast 3. You stick to 8 or less colors and system is fast and nice.

04 February 2014, 22:05	#15
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	You right mfilos. I stick with 1 but will forever try to improve

06 February 2014, 01:06	#17
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	SFS worked thanks god (and Johnim of course) . Is it slower than PFS?

06 February 2014, 09:49	#18
mfilos Paranoid Amigoid Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 45 Posts: 1,978	Nah they are equal in means of speed. It's just that SFS support 020+ while PFS can run on pure 68k.

06 February 2014, 18:31	#20
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Hmmm. I'm gonna clone my 3.9 into SFS CF to check if there is any real improvement against FFS first.

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