Rochard 800C A500 Hdd-controller trouble!!

Faerytale · 21 September 2007, 17:19

Hi!

My scsi disk gave up in my hdd controller today

It has both Ide and SCSI interface inside.

To my question: Can I use a PC-IDE drive?? Maybe IDE to CF adapter??

link : http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=571

alexh · 21 September 2007, 17:31

Nice looking unit, never seen one before.

I would say "Try it". You can see the 40-pin IDE interface on the pics on BBoAH, (Grey Cable) get yourself a cable and hook up a PC hard drive.

The ROM will determine what size hard drive will work I feel. Try the smallest one you can get your hands on.

Faerytale · 21 September 2007, 18:02

ok. If a PC-IDE drive will work, doesnt that mean that a Cf-flashadapter will work?

Or maybe SCSi to IDE adapter and then a CFlash to IDE adapter??.

It would be cool to have a whisper quiet HDD with the a500

Zetr0 · 21 September 2007, 19:30

@Faerytale

I like the idea of the SCSI adapter to CF adapter to CF card.... nice...

but as alexh says, try a PC IDE disk (arround or under the 2GB size) if you have luck with that then try a 4GB ide hdd..... and then try an 8GB although i dont hold out any real hope for that to be readable LOL..

If you are lucky then the 4GB will work... then all you need to do is setup say a 4GB CF card as a hard disk (you can set it up under the ide) then when you get your SCSI - IDE adapter... just plug and play

Faerytale · 21 September 2007, 22:00

ok . I will fiddle around with the options and see if any of them will work

Paul_s · 22 September 2007, 10:18

hmmm never realised they did scsi to cf convertors? Would this apply to a 50-pin scsi as well??? Not sure what I'd need

Zetr0 · 22 September 2007, 14:41

@Paul s

its not a scsi to cf converter my friend, its infact scsi to ide converter that then get the cf adapter on top.... all the scsi managment and the cheapness of ide... awesome!

they dont come cheap though... i think the cheapest i have seen a scsi to ide adapter for is £40 butif you add that and then add £40 for a 300GB hdd its only £80... a 33GB scsi on the other hand.... well.... ouchie justing about it...

Jope · 24 September 2007, 09:19

I tried that out for Wilen and he's also got it working in his CDTV.

So yes, an ACard SCSIDE adapter will work with most CF cards, if you chain the SCSIDE and the CFIDE adapters together.

Oh, and BTW .. some RocHards only have either working SCSI or IDE, not both (even though the connectors are there). You've got to try it and see.

zipper · 24 September 2007, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Oh, and BTW .. some RocHards only have either working SCSI or IDE, not both (even though the connectors are there). You've got to try it and see.

The SCSI+IDE ones have updated ROMs, with white paper stickers on (v2.0?). But never saw the original innards.

Faerytale · 25 September 2007, 19:32

Thanks for the info

My board has the white stickers (v2.0) on the bios. Though I have no IDE or SCSI drive to test with at the moment.

Faerytale · 06 October 2007, 14:24

Is there anyone who has the "ROCHARD formatter disk"??

Without it, I cant set up my drive

Is there anyone who can explaine what this means:
"although RDB compatible, it cannot recognize hard disks formatted by other controllers" ??

Alex · 14 October 2007, 23:08

RDB = Rigid Disk Block, which is Commodore's way of storing partition metadata on the hard disk. A controller supporting RDB could be formatted with HDToolBox. Except for the RocHard... it needs its own prep software, and does not read other HDs which were formatted with HDToolBox.

21 September 2007, 17:19	#1
Faerytale Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a rock Posts: 110	Rochard 800C A500 Hdd-controller trouble!! Hi! My scsi disk gave up in my hdd controller today It has both Ide and SCSI interface inside. To my question: Can I use a PC-IDE drive?? Maybe IDE to CF adapter?? link : http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=571

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21 September 2007, 17:31	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,355	Nice looking unit, never seen one before. I would say "Try it". You can see the 40-pin IDE interface on the pics on BBoAH, (Grey Cable) get yourself a cable and hook up a PC hard drive. The ROM will determine what size hard drive will work I feel. Try the smallest one you can get your hands on.

21 September 2007, 18:02	#3
Faerytale Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a rock Posts: 110	ok. If a PC-IDE drive will work, doesnt that mean that a Cf-flashadapter will work? Or maybe SCSi to IDE adapter and then a CFlash to IDE adapter??. It would be cool to have a whisper quiet HDD with the a500

21 September 2007, 19:30	#4
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Faerytale I like the idea of the SCSI adapter to CF adapter to CF card.... nice... but as alexh says, try a PC IDE disk (arround or under the 2GB size) if you have luck with that then try a 4GB ide hdd..... and then try an 8GB although i dont hold out any real hope for that to be readable LOL.. If you are lucky then the 4GB will work... then all you need to do is setup say a 4GB CF card as a hard disk (you can set it up under the ide) then when you get your SCSI - IDE adapter... just plug and play

21 September 2007, 22:00	#5
Faerytale Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a rock Posts: 110	ok . I will fiddle around with the options and see if any of them will work

22 September 2007, 10:18	#6
Paul_s Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Amigaville Age: 46 Posts: 3,336	hmmm never realised they did scsi to cf convertors? Would this apply to a 50-pin scsi as well??? Not sure what I'd need

22 September 2007, 14:41	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Paul s its not a scsi to cf converter my friend, its infact scsi to ide converter that then get the cf adapter on top.... all the scsi managment and the cheapness of ide... awesome! they dont come cheap though... i think the cheapest i have seen a scsi to ide adapter for is £40 butif you add that and then add £40 for a 300GB hdd its only £80... a 33GB scsi on the other hand.... well.... ouchie justing about it...

24 September 2007, 09:19	#8
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,864	I tried that out for Wilen and he's also got it working in his CDTV. So yes, an ACard SCSIDE adapter will work with most CF cards, if you chain the SCSIDE and the CFIDE adapters together. Oh, and BTW .. some RocHards only have either working SCSI or IDE, not both (even though the connectors are there). You've got to try it and see.

25 September 2007, 19:32	#10
Faerytale Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a rock Posts: 110	Thanks for the info My board has the white stickers (v2.0) on the bios. Though I have no IDE or SCSI drive to test with at the moment.

06 October 2007, 14:24	#11
Faerytale Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a rock Posts: 110	Is there anyone who has the "ROCHARD formatter disk"?? Without it, I cant set up my drive Is there anyone who can explaine what this means: "although RDB compatible, it cannot recognize hard disks formatted by other controllers" ??

14 October 2007, 23:08	#12
Alex Amiga Hardware Database Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Budapest / Hungary Posts: 23	RDB = Rigid Disk Block, which is Commodore's way of storing partition metadata on the hard disk. A controller supporting RDB could be formatted with HDToolBox. Except for the RocHard... it needs its own prep software, and does not read other HDs which were formatted with HDToolBox.

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