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Old 21 February 2020, 18:03   #2341
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4. Question
Maybe exists somewhere full list of naming conventions, but I didn't find it on a first look.
Some, I understood, some didn't... Namely:

[!]
[m, m1, m2...]
[o]
[b] - bug?... I don't know

What Do they mean exactly?
[!] = Known Verified Dump
[m] = Modification
[o] = Over Dump
[b] = Bad Dump

You can read more here: TOSEC Naming Convention

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[!] = Known Verified Dump
[m] = Modification
[o] = Over Dump
[b] = Bad Dump

You can read more here: TOSEC Naming Convention
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Hi,
I think, this SPS release:
I Play - 3-D Soccer (1989)(Simulmondo)[2104]

should be changed to
I Play - 3-D Soccer (1989)(Simulmondo)(M4)[2104]

because there are 4 languages.
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Hi,
I think, this SPS release:
I Play - 3-D Soccer (1989)(Simulmondo)[2104]

should be changed to
I Play - 3-D Soccer (1989)(Simulmondo)(M4)[2104]

because there are 4 languages.
Fixed!

I Play - 3-D Soccer (1991)(Simulmondo)(M4)[2104]
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Here are SPS bugs...

3D Construction Kit (1991)(Domark)[construction kit][1765]
should be
3D Construction Kit (1991)(Domark)[construction kit](M4)[1765]

-there are really 4 languages, tested



Manchester United - Premier League Champions v1.0 (1994-03-11)(Krisalis)[0135]
should be
Manchester United - Premier League Champions v1.0 (1994-03-11)(Krisalis)(M4)[0135]

-there are really 4 languages, tested



Gobliiins v1.1 (1992)(Coktel Vision)(M5)[0065]
should be
Gobliiins v1.1 (1992)(Coktel Vision)(DE)[0065]

-there is no possibility to change language in the game (like in [2487] multilanguage release). The object in the game and text between levels are in german language only!!! Tested



Time Runners 1 - Gateways in Time (1993)(Simulmondo)(M5)[2593]
should be
Time Runners 01 - Gateways in Time (1993)(Simulmondo)(M5)[2593]

-whole "Time Runners" series is signed like 03, 07, 12, 25...etc. That's why 01.



L'Aigle d'Or - Le Retour (1991)(Loriciel)(FR)[2600]
should be
Aigle d'Or, L' - Le Retour (1991)(Loriciel)(FR)[2600]

-moved article L' to the right position



Here, important question for me...

When any game have "En english" and "US english" language options together, so should it be written like 1 or 2 languages?
(By the way, Tosec "Language Flag Possibilities" don't know "En english" or "US english"... just one "English")

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3D Construction Kit (1991)(Domark)[construction kit][1765]
should be
3D Construction Kit (1991)(Domark)[construction kit](M4)[1765]

-there are really 4 languages, tested
Renamed to :
3D Construction Kit r01.1000 (1991)(Domark)(M4)[construction kit][1765]

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Manchester United - Premier League Champions v1.0 (1994-03-11)(Krisalis)[0135]

should be
Manchester United - Premier League Champions v1.0 (1994-03-11)(Krisalis)(M4)[0135]

-there are really 4 languages, tested
Fixed...

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Gobliiins v1.1 (1992)(Coktel Vision)(M5)[0065]
should be
Gobliiins v1.1 (1992)(Coktel Vision)(DE)[0065]

-there is no possibility to change language in the game (like in [2487] multilanguage release). The object in the game and text between levels are in german language only!!! Tested
fixed...

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Time Runners 1 - Gateways in Time (1993)(Simulmondo)(M5)[2593]
should be
Time Runners 01 - Gateways in Time (1993)(Simulmondo)(M5)[2593]

-whole "Time Runners" series is signed like 03, 07, 12, 25...etc. That's why 01.
fixed...

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L'Aigle d'Or - Le Retour (1991)(Loriciel)(FR)[2600]
should be
Aigle d'Or, L' - Le Retour (1991)(Loriciel)(FR)[2600]

-moved article L' to the right position
fixed...as well as for the ADF files

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When any game have "En english" and "US english" language options together, so should it be written like 1 or 2 languages?
(By the way, Tosec "Language Flag Possibilities" don't know "En english" or "US english"... just one "English")
The current TNC nomenclature does not distinguish between GB and US english. However, the TNC can also change ...
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The current TNC nomenclature does not distinguish between GB and US english.
Hi,
I waited for your confirmation. It's only one normal and logic way. If somewhere would be English, USA, Australian and Irish english, so would be there written M4?..... No. Still one english. Every database uses only one "English". Here are 4 bugs with this problem.

US and GB language problems:

Espana - The Games '92 (1992)(Ocean)(M6)[1327]
should be
Espana - The Games '92 (1992)(Ocean)(M5)[1327]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)
...fixed, Crashdisk


Great Napoleonic Battles v1.00 (1991)(Impressions)(M6)[2992]
should be
Great Napoleonic Battles v1.00 (1991)(Impressions)(M5)[2992]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)
...fixed, Crashdisk


Legend of the Lost (1990)(Impressions)(M6)[2971]
should be
Legend of the Lost (1990)(Impressions)(M5)[2971]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)
...fixed, Crashdisk


Cohort II - Fighting for Rome (1993)(Impressions)(M4)[2941]
should be
Cohort II - Fighting for Rome (1993)(Impressions)(M3)[2941]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M3)
...fixed, Crashdisk



Other language problems:

First Contact (1990)(Rainbird)(M3)[0923]
should be
First Contact (1990)(Rainbird)[0923]

-there is only question: "Is your instruction manual in: 1.English?/2.French?/3.German?", but it's due to protection test, that's all. The game is only in english.
...fixed, Crashdisk


Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)[2513]
should be
Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)(en-fr)[2513]
or
Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)(en-fr)[review copy][2513]

-there are 2 languages
...fixed, Crashdisk


Persecutors (1987)(Softgang)[compilation Amiga Power Pack][1440]
should be
Persecutors (1987)(Softgang)(de-en)[compilation Amiga Power Pack][1440]

-There is no language option, but everything before the game is in german and english language together. The same case is Vader [2956] and Australo Piticus Mechanicus [0809], also without language options and everything before the game is in german and english language together, and also signed like (de-en).
...fixed, Crashdisk



Special language problem:

F.O.F.T. - Federation of Free Traders (1989)(Gremlin)(M3)[0613]

-there are 3 language options, but it influences keymaps only. The game is in english only. I don't know, if it is the right reason for (M3). It's up to you. You can also look at notes down there, here: http://hol.abime.net/514
...fixed, Crashdisk



Dongles:

I found in SPS list only one game with "dongle note". Namely:
RoboCop 3 (1992)(Ocean)(M3)[dongle][0805]

I think, It's very important note and all others (7x) should be added. I took infos from WinUAE (IO ports/protection dongle) and from EAB thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=dongle

And of course, all games was really tested.

B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)[1835]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)[dongle][1835]
...fixed, Crashdisk


B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(DE)[0434]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(DE)[dongle][0434]
...fixed, Crashdisk


B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(FR)[1635]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(FR)[dongle][1635]
...fixed, Crashdisk


Cricket Captain (1989)(D & H Games)[1244]
should be
Cricket Captain (1989)(D & H Games)[dongle][1244]
...fixed, Crashdisk


Leader Board (1986)(U.S. Gold)[0523]
should be
Leader Board (1986)(U.S. Gold)[dongle][0523]
...fixed, Crashdisk


Leader Board Tournament Disk 1 (1986)(U.S. Gold)[data disk][1474]
should be
Leader Board Tournament Disk 1 (1986)(U.S. Gold)[dongle][data disk][1474]
...fixed, Crashdisk


Rugby Coach (1991)(CDS)(M5)[0251]
should be
Rugby Coach (1991)(CDS)(M5)[dongle][0251]
...fixed, Crashdisk


Budget:

Castle Master (1992)(The Hit Squad)(M3)[2773]
should be
Castle Master (1992)(The Hit Squad)(M3)[budget][2773]

-budget release
...fixed, Crashdisk


Head Over Heels (1991)(Hit Squad, The)[1674]
should be
Head Over Heels (1991)(Hit Squad, The)[budget][1674]

-if it is really Hit Squad release, so should be with [budget], but SPS database says "Retail"

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Hi,
I waited for your confirmation. It's only one normal and logic way. If somewhere would be English, USA, Australian and Irish english, so would be there written M4?..... No. Still one english. Every database uses only one "English". Here are 4 bugs with this problem.

US and GB language problems:

Espana - The Games '92 (1992)(Ocean)(M6)[1327]
should be
Espana - The Games '92 (1992)(Ocean)(M5)[1327]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)



Great Napoleonic Battles v1.00 (1991)(Impressions)(M6)[2992]
should be
Great Napoleonic Battles v1.00 (1991)(Impressions)(M5)[2992]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)



Legend of the Lost (1990)(Impressions)(M6)[2971]
should be
Legend of the Lost (1990)(Impressions)(M5)[2971]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M5)



Cohort II - Fighting for Rome (1993)(Impressions)(M4)[2941]
should be
Cohort II - Fighting for Rome (1993)(Impressions)(M3)[2941]

-there is GB and US english option, counted like 2, that's why (M3)




Other language problems:

First Contact (1990)(Rainbird)(M3)[0923]
should be
First Contact (1990)(Rainbird)[0923]

-there is only question: "Is your instruction manual in: 1.English?/2.French?/3.German?", but it's due to protection test, that's all. The game is only in english.



Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)[2513]
should be
Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)(en-fr)[2513]
or
Son Shu Shi (1992)(Expose)(en-fr)[review copy][2513]

-there are 2 languages



Persecutors (1987)(Softgang)[compilation Amiga Power Pack][1440]
should be
Persecutors (1987)(Softgang)(de-en)[compilation Amiga Power Pack][1440]

-There is no language option, but everything before the game is in german and english language together. The same case is Vader [2956] and Australo Piticus Mechanicus [0809], also without language options and everything before the game is in german and english language together, and also signed like (de-en).




Special language problem:

F.O.F.T. - Federation of Free Traders (1989)(Gremlin)(M3)[0613]

-there are 3 language options, but it influences keymaps only. The game is in english only. I don't know, if it is the right reason for (M3). It's up to you. You can also look at notes down there, here: http://hol.abime.net/514




Dongles:

I found in SPS list only one game with "dongle note". Namely:
RoboCop 3 (1992)(Ocean)(M3)[dongle][0805]

I think, It's very important note and all others (7x) should be added. I took infos from WinUAE (IO ports/protection dongle) and from EAB thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=dongle

And of course, all games was really tested.

B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)[1835]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)[dongle][1835]



B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(DE)[0434]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(DE)[dongle][0434]



B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(FR)[1635]
should be
B.A.T. II (1992)(Ubi Soft)(FR)[dongle][1635]



Cricket Captain (1989)(D & H Games)[1244]
should be
Cricket Captain (1989)(D & H Games)[dongle][1244]



Leader Board (1986)(U.S. Gold)[0523]
should be
Leader Board (1986)(U.S. Gold)[dongle][0523]



Leader Board Tournament Disk 1 (1986)(U.S. Gold)[data disk][1474]
should be
Leader Board Tournament Disk 1 (1986)(U.S. Gold)[dongle][data disk][1474]



Rugby Coach (1991)(CDS)(M5)[0251]
should be
Rugby Coach (1991)(CDS)(M5)[dongle][0251]



Budget:

Castle Master (1992)(The Hit Squad)(M3)[2773]
should be
Castle Master (1992)(The Hit Squad)(M3)[budget][2773]

-budget release



Head Over Heels (1991)(Hit Squad, The)[1674]
should be
Head Over Heels (1991)(Hit Squad, The)[budget][1674]

-if it is really Hit Squad release, so should be with [budget], but SPS database says "Retail"
Head over Heels is a special case. It was never released full price and was released only on Hit Squad.

Its an ambiguous one.
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How are these multi-language games "modified"? Weren't they originally released like that?
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How are these multi-language games "modified"? Weren't they originally released like that?
Wrong question. They are not modified. "M" means multiple languages.
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Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][bootable]
F1324CF0

The Executable on this disk is obviously from the PDX version!
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Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr S8][bootable]
E64E9F0B
The Executable is obviously the same as the one from the PDX version, so its rather a [h S8].
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As mentioned in another thread PDX version is probably not fully cracked, they missed probably those checksum check.
It is also mentioned that FLT version is also a bad crack, but i have doubt!?



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Sierra Soccer 100% Crack Fix
----------------------------

This removes the checksum which makes the game guru once you reach the
CHALLENGE PROGRESS screens. To get that far you have to win or at least
get second place in the group matches. Once you get there, the checksum
was calculated and while playing it would guru the machine.

Anyway enjoy this game it really is very nice indeed otherwise I wouldn't
have bothered with it.


FLT England.

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Common disk_____*[4B9C7939] Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v Lamer Exterminator 2][b corrupt files][bootable]
|_Bootblock______[0364EDE3] Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v Lamer Exterminator 2][b3 corrupt files][bootable]
[1EBDAB71] Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v Lamer Exterminator 2][b2 corrupt files][bootable]
all three images have one corrupt file only!
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all three images have one corrupt file only!
and 3 variants of the same virus. So I'm going to use the [v],[v2],[v3] flag instead

fixed...
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So I'm going to use the [v],[v2],[v3] flag instead
you remove name of the virus?
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you remove name of the virus?
Nooo, I just replaced the [b2 ...] flag with [v2 ...]
Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v Lamer Exterminator 2][b3 corrupt file]
>
Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v3 Lamer Exterminator 2][b corrupt file]
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I have playtested Sierra Soccer.
FLT version:
Played two times with different teams to the trophy (have seen end animation) without any issue!
PDX version crashes(GURU) in first match of k.o. round!
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Nooo, I just replaced the [b2 ...] flag with [v2 ...]
Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v Lamer Exterminator 2][b3 corrupt file]
>
Sierra Soccer - World Challenge Edition (1994)(Sierra)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr FLT][h Zone Crew][v3 Lamer Exterminator 2][b corrupt file]

Are they different version of the virus, are the same files damaged etc.. Just what are the differences before renaming b/b2 to v/v2???
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Hi,
SPS notes...

adidas Championship Tie-Break (1990)(Ocean)[2637]
should be
Adidas Championship Tie-Break (1990)(Ocean)[2637]


Kult (19xx)(boeder)(M3)[budget][1512]
should be
Kult - The Temple of Flying Saucers (19xx)(boeder)(M3)[budget][1512]

-the game is with this subtitle and the second release of Kult [0661] is also with this subtitle (" - The Temple of Flying Saucers")


-----------------
You know, there exist 4 enhanced Sierra games (the names are shortened for better visibility), namely:

King's Quest 1, Leisure Suit Larry 1, Mixed-Up Mother Goose, Space Quest 1


[1436] King's Quest 1 - is with [SCI remake], SPS says "SCI"

[2838] Leisure Suit Larry 1 - is without note, SPS says "Enhanced"

[2680] Mixed-Up Mother Goose - is with [SCI remake], SPS says "Enhanced"

[2222] Space Quest 1 - is with [SCI remake], SPS says "Enhanced"


I suggest, all 4 games with [Enhanced] or all 4 games with [SCI remake]. (For me is "Enhanced" better, because I think, it's more universal and understandable naming than SCI as "Sierra's Creative Interpreter")
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Hi,
SPS notes...

adidas Championship Tie-Break (1990)(Ocean)[2637]
should be
Adidas Championship Tie-Break (1990)(Ocean)[2637]
No it shouldn't.

Look at the HOL page; Manual / Boxscan / Diskscan / Miscshot etc: adidas Championship Tie Break
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No it shouldn't.

Look at the HOL page; Manual / Boxscan / Diskscan / Miscshot etc: adidas Championship Tie Break
Ok, now I will use your logic and arguments. If you want exact naming acording to Manual, Boxscan, Diskscan etc...
So, the name should be changed to:

adidas CHAMPIONSHIP Tie break (1990)(Ocean)[2637] (as title screen, boxscan, manual, miscshot)

or even better

adidas CHAMPIONSHIP TIE-BREAK (1990)(Ocean)[2637] (as diskscan)


So what, are you satisfied? Do you like it?
I think, It's wrong HoL entry.
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