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Old 01 February 2014, 00:33   #1
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Problematic AGA demos.

I finally got a green light from Toni to open this topic -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=584

NOTE: This thread is open to all who want to contribute in finding possible Amiga AGA problematic demos !!!

p.s.
Preferred WinUAE configuration for testing -> Quickstart model A1200 ... and preferred demos for testing -> all AGA demos till year 2000.


Edit:
68020 'Open-Case' AGA Demos:

Demos with "potential" issues:

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=959720&postcount=42
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=960928&postcount=45
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961277&postcount=55

Pea Soup / Disaster
Neo Tokyo 2094 / Model Design ... (Ship glitch, probably the usual cause again)
Destination BBS Intro / Saints ... (usual CPU timing !?)

Demos with "strange" issues:

Voll Crass (Intro) by Abyss -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936236&postcount=11

Bjarne (40k Intro) by Stone Arts -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

Rush (40k Intro) by Stone Arts -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

Lethal Dose 2 (Trackmo) by Faculty -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

Viewpoint 5 (Packdisk) by Lego -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Viewpoint 4 (Packdisk) by Lego -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Pipeline 10 (Packdisk) by Dreamdealers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

BBS Intro (Intro) by X-Rayz -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Olympe (Trackmo) by Gods -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939172&postcount=33 ... Does not work !!! -> it stops at track 77 (but works fine in WinUAE2610) !

Swimming Pool (Demo) by Nova -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Swing (Intro) by Polka Brothers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Vector Dreams (Intro) by Ksylitol -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35 ... Does not work !!!

JOnboCken by candle -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939589&postcount=38 ... HALT1 !!!

Bliss-Out (Demo) by Ukonx -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939589&postcount=38 ... Does not work !!!

Beut (64k Intro) by Phase Truce -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961499&postcount=66 ... broken from WinUAE2300 (2010-09-24) !?

Blue (Demo) by The Interceptors -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961599&postcount=72 ... strange graphics !?

Embryo (Demo) by Balance -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

Fear (Demo) by Mystic -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

ComaDose (40k Intro) by Passion -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962110&postcount=81

Demos with "most likely CPU emulator timing" issues:

Harmagedon (Demo) by Infect -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=935681&postcount=2

Snigelsaft (Demo) by Latex -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=935690&postcount=5 -> Update !!! (2014.03.16)

Vidar! (Intro) by Stone Arts -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

First AGA Demo (Trackmo) by Access -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Subliminal XTC (Trackmo) by Mirage Uk -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Born (Intro) by X-dream -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31

Despair (Demo) by Insane -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32

Dogtro (Intro) by Darkness -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32

Beyond Belief by noxious -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32

Invention (40k Intro) by Triumph -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32

Mustard - X-Mas Intro (Intro) by C-lous -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32

Revelation (Demo) by Shrimps Design -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939172&postcount=33

Soho (Trackmo) by Nova -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939172&postcount=33

The Breath of the Muse (Demo) by Chryseis & Poseidon -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Vital (Demo) by Mystic -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Yul Brynner was a Skinhead (Demo) by Us -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Wat Een Gore Kop by Quartex -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Uqulala by Damage -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939582&postcount=36

Anniversary - ½ Year (Intro) by Oops! -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961284&postcount=57

S(pi)d (64k Intro) by Zomo -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65

Cosmic Glide (Demo) by C-lous -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961599&postcount=72

Dive (Demo) by Complex -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

J.A.M. (Demo) by Ward -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

Lech (Demo) by Freezers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

Symptom (40k Intro) by Freezers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

Demos with "upper line text issues" issues:

Voices 2 (Diskmagazine) by Noise -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Voices 3 (Diskmagazine) by Passion & Noise -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Voices 4 (Diskmagazine) by Edge -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939377&postcount=35

Demos with "blitter active" issues:

Cubic Dream (Demo) by TRSI -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

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68020 'Open-Case' AGA Demos (4Mb-expanded):

Demos with "strange" issues:

Live in Himmerland (40k Intro) by Focus Design -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

Psychedelic (Demo) by Virtual Dreams -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939589&postcount=38 ... Does not work !!!

The Rise of Antrax (Trackmo) by Balloons -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961160&postcount=52

9 (Demo) by Spoon -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961499&postcount=66 ... Probably normal !?
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68040 'Open-Case' AGA Demos (QS 040 config):

Demos with "strange" issues:

Psylteflesk by Ephidrena -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=945375&postcount=39

Klone by Dual Crew & Shining -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=945375&postcount=39

Massive by skarla -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=945375&postcount=39 -> fixed! http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=105

Picnicbass by Ephidrena -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=945375&postcount=39

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68020 Already 'Fixed' AGA Demos:

Satyanarayanan (Intro) by Scoopex -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=935684&postcount=3

Picture Book (Trackmo) by Axis -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15

Blur (40k Intro) by Focus Design -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937537&postcount=27

Statement (Demo) by Infection -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939372&postcount=34 ... (tested in WinUAE2800b18)

Nexus 7 (Demo) by Andromeda -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15 ... (test WinUAE2820b0 2014-06-25)

Silicon Gfx 2 (Demo) by Wfmh -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961160&postcount=52 ... (test WinUAE2820b0 2014-06-25)

Alien (Demo) by Scoopex -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65 ... (test WinUAE2820b0 2014-06-26)

Jtxrules (Intro) by Illusion (new) -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961523&postcount=69 ... (test WinUAE2820b0 2014-06-27)

Contactro (Demo) by Illusion (new) -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961647&postcount=73 ... (test WinUAE2820b0 2014-06-27)

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68020 Already 'Fixed' AGA Demos (4Mb-expanded):

Salt (Demo) by Void & The Star Alliance -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937434&postcount=26 ... (tested in WinUAE2800b18)

Dusted (Intro) by Void -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937434&postcount=26 ... (WinUAE2800b18; WB3.x + 4MB Chip)

Hate (Demo) by Fanatic -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32 ... (WinUAE2800b18; it needs to assign Hate: as Dh0: )

Vertigo (Demo) by Abyss -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15 ... (WinUAEb18; only HD and type vertigo/vertigo.exe)

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68030 Already 'Fixed' AGA Demos:

Splinters (Slideshow) by Mystic -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=935684&postcount=3 ... (Fixed in 2710b7)

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Not 'emulation bug' Demos:

Omen (Intro) by Anathema -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15

Extel (4k Intro) by Ambrosia -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15 ... (Needs 4Mb fast ram !!!)

Family Business (40k Intro) by Abyss -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=936697&postcount=15 ... (Works from WB !!!)

Vision Thing BBS & Endor BBS (Intro) by Infect -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937016&postcount=22 ... (Broken file !!!)

The Breath of the Muse (Demo) by Chryseis & Poseidon -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=937071&postcount=24 ... (needs KS 3.0)

gimme alcohol by BONZAI BROS. -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=939589&postcount=38 ... perhaps damaged !!!
(also not AGA; it works with 68020, ECS+, 2MB Chip ... found it in demo pack here -> http://www.magicpack.net/php/downloa....php?fileid=26)

Amused To Death (Demo) by Flying Cows -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938413&postcount=31 ... (tested in WinUAE2800b18)

Harre Krishna Homeboys (Intro) by Resolution 101 -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=938710&postcount=32 ... (Needs 4Mb fast ram !!!)

Demos with "potential" issues: -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961277&postcount=55
Alien Dream / Passion
Phucker / The Black Lotus
The Saturne Day / Apex

Picture Book (Trackmo) by Axis -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961256&postcount=53

60k of Zwidula (Intro) by Shrimps Design -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961284&postcount=57

Amiga Regler (Intro) by Focus Design -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961284&postcount=57

Birthday Intro (Intro) by Silicon -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961284&postcount=57

Grass60 (Intro) by Grasshopper Developments -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961322&postcount=59

Karma Cowboy (Intro) by Passion -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961322&postcount=59 ... (right mouse button)

Nethed (Intro) by Embassy -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961322&postcount=59 ... (Hangs with "FU")

The Party 1995 Invitation (Intro) by Polka Brothers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961322&postcount=59 ... (Not 100% identical glitch!)

Pandemonium (Demo) by Sepultura -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961341&postcount=61

64k Intro (64k Intro) by Technology -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65

Herb! (64k Intro) by Polka Brothers -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65

Intro (64k Intro) by University Of Drinking -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65

Opal Se Futec (64k Intro) by Exile -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961484&postcount=65

Raggy (64k Intro) by Eltech -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961524&postcount=70

The End Of Ashes (64k Intro) by Technology -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961499&postcount=66

Aerial (Demo) by Mankind -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961499&postcount=66

Amazed (Demo) by Vanity -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961520&postcount=68 ... (probably demo bug)

Interlude (Demo) by The Lowlifes -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

K-Rauta (Demo) by Insane -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962103&postcount=80

Lazy (40k Intro) by Fake -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962110&postcount=81

Party Intro (40k Intro) by In-sect -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962110&postcount=81 ... (probably works if booted to AGA WB mode)

Rose (40k Intro) by Chryseis & Hoodlum -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=962110&postcount=81

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Old 01 February 2014, 00:36   #2
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(Note: below is copied from here -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=580)

Harmagedon (Demo) by Infect -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=358

A1200 (Basic no-expanded) ... after logo screen: only black screen while music is playing (Note: It works fine in WinUAE 2.6.1 !!!)

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Old 01 February 2014, 00:44   #3
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for Harmagedon, CE freeze the demo after the logo (winuae 2.7.1)

slideshow Splinters/Mystic :
http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=27788

black screen

intro : Satyanarayanan/scoopex
http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11379

a small little bug on left top of the screen



AGA demos, sometimes, need more memory than the basic no-expanded, sorry. A1200 + 4Mb fast is good (my real A1200 config)
and some demos, need 68030+

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Old 01 February 2014, 01:03   #4
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AGA demos, sometimes, need more memory than the basic no-expanded, sorry. A1200 + 4Mb fast is good (my real A1200 config)
and some demos, need 68030+
Yeah, right ... if it means that you wish to volunteer checking some of future reported demo problems also on your real A1200 2Mb chip + 4Mb fast ram ...
as what I remember, Toni said once that he has only a basic A1200 2Mb chip ram model and that he is interested only to those AGA demos till year 2000.

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Old 01 February 2014, 01:31   #5
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Snigelsaft (Demo) by Latex -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=18851

A1200 4Mb expanded ... some slowing down in 2nd part in WinUAE (test version 2014-01-29) !!! -> noticeable only when using headphones !!!

@heavy ... could you please check/compare how the demo behaves on your real A1200 with 4MB fast ram ... TIA

p.s. Well, this will be just for information purpose then for now (see post 6 below).

EDIT: Interesting, while a LMB is pressed the music seems to play fine !!!

EDIT2: And this is specially noticeable on part with sphere rotation -> see pic. below !!!
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Old 01 February 2014, 09:51   #6
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I don't have plain A1200 memory expansions = only plain A1200 demos are acceptable. Using 68030 board (or even worse, 68040 or 68060) makes the test invalid. (EDIT: and I don't accept others test results, I have to see it myself, sorry)
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Old 01 February 2014, 12:00   #7
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I don't have plain A1200 memory expansions = only plain A1200 demos are acceptable. Using 68030 board (or even worse, 68040 or 68060) makes the test invalid. (EDIT: and I don't accept others test results, I have to see it myself, sorry)
Fully understand, but it is now quite limiting the entire project.

Perhaps in a near/far future come up some a good soul and donates one of these 4MB expansion board for the A1200, just saying ...

... so that still might be a good idea to collect all problems related to the A1200, even those one that needs extended 4Mb fast ram board ...
... no matter what you're not in the possibility now to check/test the same, just saying.
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If you really want to include demos that work with plain fast ram expansion (without 68030 not required), better put them in separate thread.

Later there could be also 3rd 68030 required category. (68040/060 required: No.)

Note that it may be not be that easy to find out if demo works with 68020 but requires 68030 (68020 would be too slow = slowdowns or glitches) or it only works with 68020.. (68030 too fast or glitches..). I am not going to do that!

68020 and 68030 instruction set is practically identical (exceptions being MMU instructions, that demos don't use, and some differences in MOVEC special registers, that demos rarely touch)

Don't also forget some "aga" demos that also work with OCS or ECS but require 68020/030 CPU only.

It can get messy..
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Old 01 February 2014, 12:44   #9
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Yeah, there are many combinations with regard to AGA demos ...

Note: My main/only intention of opening this topic was to gather those AGA problems I encounter by chance and not to fully dedicate myself to it now ... as I'm still not completely finished with the classic A500 OCS/ECS what I intended to complete.

... thus this thread is opened also for all others who wish to join the project !!!
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Old 02 February 2014, 11:06   #10
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intro : Satyanarayanan/scoopex
http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11379

a small little bug on left top of the screen
You missed another bigger problem, part of HAM area was completely missing.

Both fixed. But only because it had nothing to do with CPU.
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Voll Crass (Intro) by Abyss -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11020

Bottom scroller on last part behaves weird !!!
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(Note: below is copied from here -> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=580)

Harmagedon (Demo) by Infect -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=358
Too slow CPU.
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Too slow CPU.
68020 CPU timing problem or it needs a faster CPU like 68030 ?!

(Btw. it works on 68020 if CE=OFF)
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68020 CPU timing problem
That.

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(Btw. it works on 68020 if CE=OFF)
If it is known to work with 68EC020, this guarantees above.
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Omen (Intro) by Anathema -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10748

A1200 (Basic no-expanded) ... lot of glitches on some parts !!! (pic.1 & 2)


Nexus 7 (Demo) by Andromeda -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10590

A1200 (Basic no-expanded)(2710b6) ... strange line -> pic.3 !!!


Family Business (40k Intro) by Abyss -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11789

A1200 (4Mb-expanded)(2710b6) ... got a message -> pic.4 !!!

(EDIT: Vertigo (Demo) by Abyss -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11150 ... same -> pic.4 !!!)


Extel (4k Intro) by Ambrosia -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11511

A1200 ()(2710b6) ... doesnt work !!!


Picture Book (Trackmo) by Axis -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10883

A1200 (Basic no-expanded) ... only music playing on black screen after 2nd disk loaded !!!
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While testing one demo (Picture Book (Trackmo) by Axis) got WinUAE crash ... below is attached dmp file:

Edit: and another dmp file but for 2 disk drives and 4mb fast !
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Old 07 February 2014, 20:55   #17
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Test all demos by booting from WB disk, at least Family Business (40k Intro) by Abyss requires mathtrans.library.

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While testing one demo (Picture Book (Trackmo) by Axis) got WinUAE crash ... below is attached dmp file:

Edit: and another dmp file but for 2 disk drives and 4mb fast !
I think your config is not 100% A1200 config. winuaelog.txt needed. (EDIT: possibly AROS ROM is in use, not KS 3.0 ROM)
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Old 07 February 2014, 21:34   #18
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Omen (Intro) by Anathema -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10748

A1200 (Basic no-expanded) ... lot of glitches on some parts !!! (pic.1 & 2)
Basic A1200 confirmed. Some bug or something, corrupted sprite data.

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Extel (4k Intro) by Ambrosia -> http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=11511

A1200 ()(2710b6) ... doesnt work !!!
Basic A1200 confirmed. Hangs in grey screen.
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Old 07 February 2014, 23:22   #19
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Test all demos by booting from WB disk, at least Family Business (40k Intro) by Abyss requires mathtrans.library.
Yes, it works from WB for Family Business/Abyss.

(p.s. But there is still same problem with Nexus 7/Andromeda, Vertigo/Abyss and Picture Book/Axis.)

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I think your config is not 100% A1200 config. winuaelog.txt needed. (EDIT: possibly AROS ROM is in use, not KS 3.0 ROM)
It is from AF2008 CD:
KS ROM v3.1 (A1200) rev 40.68 (512k) [391773-01/391774-01]

winuaelog.txt says:
00F80000 512K/1 = 512K Kickstart ROM (1483A091)

Unfortunately cant find KS 3.0 for A1200 on AF2008 ... but only for A4000:
KS ROM v3.0 (A4000) rev 39.106 (512k) [391513-02/391514-02]
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Old 08 February 2014, 11:23   #20
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Black screens fixed (due to recent rewrite and AGA having "too long" fetches), this probably affected lots of AGA programs.

Crash still makes no sense, it tries to access custom memory banks (only enabled if manually added to config file or aros rom is in use) but your log shows them not being enabled. Perhaps some corruption due to above bug.
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