Sam440 ep-flex revision1 (TBA) - Page 2

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yotoxionomai

@ prowler

Thanks man! I was very unsure about that. Too bad though, i had a slight hope of running Os 3.9 and all my WHD games on this MB.

I believe this guys never learned with the mistakes made in the past, they keep trying "not" to work together, this Hardware would benefit more is they sold computers with the OS already installed like Apple ans MS do!
After all, most people dont value a stand alone MB, but if sold (as a computer box) along with an OS suited to most users needs it would be perfec!

Hi,
this could sound like a noob question:
what about Amithlon / AmigaOS XL?
I know it isn't sold any more (is it?), but it seemed perfect for the requirements of many users:
- boot directly into it (no other OS loaded "under" it)
- very fast
- runs on common hardware

It's very sought on eBay, at high prices (I have a copy, but I never tried it). Could I run WHDLoad under it ??

prowler · 18 January 2009, 01:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Hi,
this could sound like a noob question:
what about Amithlon / AmigaOS XL?
I know it isn't sold any more (is it?), but it seemed perfect for the requirements of many users:
- boot directly into it (no other OS loaded "under" it)
- very fast
- runs on common hardware

It's very sought on eBay, at high prices (I have a copy, but I never tried it). Could I run WHDLoad under it ??

Hi Supamax,

Have a look at this thread relating to the Amithlon Setup Guide, by Charlie:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31613

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 02:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Hi Supamax,

Have a look at this thread relating to the Amithlon Setup Guide, by Charlie:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31613

WOW, what a guide! Impressive!

I'll try it. Did anyone try WHDLoad on Amithlon? It should run, should it?

prowler · 18 January 2009, 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

WOW, what a guide! Impressive!

I'll try it. Did anyone try WHDLoad on Amithlon? It should run, should it?

The latest version of Bloodwych's Classic Workbench packages include WHDLoad, and there is a version for Amiga OS 3.9.

Both Amithlon and AmigaOS XL are really emulation packages which run Amiga OS 3.9, so yes - I should imagine Amithlon will, in fact, run WHDLoad with few problems.

It might be a good idea for you to download and inspect/install the Amiga OS 3.9 version of Classic Workbench to see how it's implemented. You'll need to PM Bloodwych for the link - this version is not available to non-EAB members yet.

Good luck,

prowler

Retro1234 · 18 January 2009, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yotoxionomai

I´m just not sure about its compability with WHDLoad and OS 3.9. ( I like OS 3.9 )...

Im starting to think there will never be JIT for Uae PPC

Ive not got round to trying Amithlon but as far as I know its 68k emulation without the custom chips so most games wont work.

prowler · 18 January 2009, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Im starting to think there will never be JIT for Uae PPC

Ive not got round to trying Amithlon but as far as I know its 68k emulation without the custom chips so most games wont work.

Hi Boo Boo,

Yes, you're right, mate!

I'd forgotten that Amithlon doesn't emulate the custom chips and, that being so, most games indeed won't work.

Are you reading this, Supamax?

If you're going to try WHDLoad with Amithlon, it's most likely doomed to failure for this reason. Sorry, mate.

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 16:35

This is bad news.
If so, I can't find a reason to install and try it

cosmicfrog · 18 January 2009, 18:03

Supamax read charles guide and all the posts he has ideas on getting eua to work with amithlon

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

Supamax read charles guide and all the posts he has ideas on getting eua to work with amithlon

Ok, but... where's the point in using WinUAE under Amithlon (if this is what you mean)?

If I wanted to use UAE I would do it in Windows environment...
Or perhaps you wrote "eua" but you were meaning WHDLoad?

Charlie · 18 January 2009, 18:13

Hi Supamax,
Prowler is quite right: Amithlon has no chipset support - think of it as a DraCo clone rather than an Amiga as such...
...Is this the end? Noooo - You CAN run chipset software fine on Amithlon by running 68k-UAE...
...alpyre made a very nice set of scripts that auto-magically loads 68k-UAE & WHDLoad when you click on a game icon - all very nicely packed-up too!
->Transparent to the user & of-course you retain that all-important Amiga-feel - No weirdness caused by a non-Amiga OS lurking under the hood.

You can therefore have your cake & eat it...
...Warp3D also works under Amithlon, you've got the potential for USB, fast HDDs & of course a '68040' that runs in the GHZ range!
A little work, I admit, but you'll end up with the 'best' Amiga possible. It's worth building a system with Amithlon in mind - fewer headaches!

Too much like hard work?
Ok, Google for X-Amiga & give it a whirl.

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 18:18

68k-UAE ...

Interesting!
Has it a website?

prowler · 18 January 2009, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

68k-UAE ...

Interesting!
Has it a website?

Yes, here:
http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/index.html

And for X-Amiga here:
http://www.xamiga.net/

Thanks for the information, Charlie.

Retro1234 · 18 January 2009, 18:30

Whats the min spec for Amithlon for example could I have an old P3 running Uae-A1200 basic setup full speed?

Another good setup but a bit tricky is using WinUae as your main shell.

Supamax · 18 January 2009, 18:36

Thanks prowler

I have a doubt: is it better (more fluid, more "Amiga-like") E-UAE under AmigaOS or WinUAE under Windows ?
I'm asking this because playing e.g. Shadow of The Beast on a real Amiga and a real TV (preferably CRT) is much better than playing it on fullscreen WinUAE (even if enabling +vsync and all the possible frequency tricks).

prowler · 18 January 2009, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Whats the min spec for Amithlon for example could I have an old P3 running Uae-A1200 basic setup full speed?

Hi Boo Boo,

I have the AmigaOS XL package which includes Amithlon. The minimum CPU specification is a 500MHz processor. I have it running on a 1GHz PIII processor and it runs AmigaOS 3.9 at a fantastic speed! The other important specification requirements are 128MB RAM and a supported graphics card.

I started with 128MB RAM, but when I was installing the package it informed me that 256MB was a far better bet, so I upgraded.

The graphics card I use for that is an nVidia GForce2 MX200 64MB.

I am in the process of writing a guide to AmigaOS XL installation for a separate thread here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=41991

All the information you need will be available there soon.

In the meantime, see the Amithlon Setup Guide, by Charlie:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31613

prowler

Retro1234 · 18 January 2009, 18:47

prowler - Cheers - To to be honest ive never realy looked at Amithlon -I guess a PIII 1ghz would be to slow for Uae under Amithlon to emulate an A1200 and run AGA games.
Also any idea if Amithlon can be run under Virtual Pc.

prowler · 18 January 2009, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Thanks prowler

I have a doubt: is it better (more fluid, more "Amiga-like") E-UAE under AmigaOS or WinUAE under Windows ?
I'm asking this because playing e.g. Shadow of The Beast on a real Amiga and a real TV (preferably CRT) is much better than playing it on fullscreen WinUAE (even if enabling +vsync and all the possible frequency tricks).

Hi Supamax,

Charlie was actually suggesting 68k UAE as a way of running WHDLoad and games on Amithlon, which won't support the games directly.

Amithlon requires a PC installed with a stripped-down version of Linux (which is where X-Amiga comes in), so you will still be playing it fullscreen on your PC monitor - not on your CRT TV (unless you have TV-out on your graphics card

).

To find out whether Amithlon running 68k UAE running WHDLoad games is better than running the games in WinUAE is something you're probably going to have to find out yourself by trying it.

prowler

prowler · 18 January 2009, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

prowler - Cheers - To to be honest ive never realy looked at Amithlon -I guess a PIII 1ghz would be to slow for Uae under Amithlon to emulate an A1200 and run AGA games.
Also any idea if Amithlon can be run under Virtual Pc.

Hi Boo Boo,

I remember seeing it reported at around the time AmigaOS XL was released that either Amithlon or AmigaOS XL could actually be run as an application from within Windows by installing the OS to a hardfile, in much the same way as WinUAE runs the Amiga OS.

I think it was actually AmigaOS XL which could be run in this way by installing QNX under Windows and then installing the AmigaOS XL software into a hardfile under QNX.

This report would most likely have appeared in the final issue of AmigActive magazine, or one of the four issues of Digital magazine that succeeded it. I still have these magazines, and will be referring to them when I write the AmigaOS XL Installation Guide.

prowler

PS. This thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=41991
already has some information about installing AmigaOS XL under VirtualPC.
For more about installing Amithlon under VirtualPC, see Charlie's Amithlon Setup Guide here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31613

prowler · 18 January 2009, 19:24

It has occurred to me that this thread seems to have drifted off-topic to a certain degree.

The topic concerns the Sam440EP Flex motherboard which has been created as the target platform for Amiga OS 4.1.

Richard Drummond has already ported his E-UAE application to Amiga OS 4.0, where it can be run on AmigaOne and PPC accelerated Classic Amigas.

When Amiga OS 4.1 is launched, it is fair to assume that E-UAE will be ported to that as well, so that all the above discussion concerning the running of Classic Amiga software on different platforms will apply equally to the Sam440EP Flex.

Smiley · 24 January 2009, 15:42

375 euro, for junk. Why do people want to use Amiga OS4 so badly?

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Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Hi Supamax, Prowler is quite right: Amithlon has no chipset support - think of it as a DraCo clone rather than an Amiga as such... ...Is this the end? Noooo - You CAN run chipset software fine on Amithlon by running 68k-UAE... ...alpyre made a very nice set of scripts that auto-magically loads 68k-UAE & WHDLoad when you click on a game icon - all very nicely packed-up too! ->Transparent to the user & of-course you retain that all-important Amiga-feel - No weirdness caused by a non-Amiga OS lurking under the hood. You can therefore have your cake & eat it... ...Warp3D also works under Amithlon, you've got the potential for USB, fast HDDs & of course a '68040' that runs in the GHZ range! A little work, I admit, but you'll end up with the 'best' Amiga possible. It's worth building a system with Amithlon in mind - fewer headaches! Too much like hard work? Ok, Google for X-Amiga & give it a whirl.

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18 January 2009, 18:30	#33
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Whats the min spec for Amithlon for example could I have an old P3 running Uae-A1200 basic setup full speed? Another good setup but a bit tricky is using WinUae as your main shell.

18 January 2009, 18:36	#34
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Monza, Italy Posts: 2,822	Thanks prowler I have a doubt: is it better (more fluid, more "Amiga-like") E-UAE under AmigaOS or WinUAE under Windows ? I'm asking this because playing e.g. Shadow of The Beast on a real Amiga and a real TV (preferably CRT) is much better than playing it on fullscreen WinUAE (even if enabling +vsync and all the possible frequency tricks).

18 January 2009, 18:47	#36
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	prowler - Cheers - To to be honest ive never realy looked at Amithlon -I guess a PIII 1ghz would be to slow for Uae under Amithlon to emulate an A1200 and run AGA games. Also any idea if Amithlon can be run under Virtual Pc.

18 January 2009, 19:24	#39
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	It has occurred to me that this thread seems to have drifted off-topic to a certain degree. The topic concerns the Sam440EP Flex motherboard which has been created as the target platform for Amiga OS 4.1. Richard Drummond has already ported his E-UAE application to Amiga OS 4.0, where it can be run on AmigaOne and PPC accelerated Classic Amigas. When Amiga OS 4.1 is launched, it is fair to assume that E-UAE will be ported to that as well, so that all the above discussion concerning the running of Classic Amiga software on different platforms will apply equally to the Sam440EP Flex.

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