quitting on 68000?

Hungry Horace · 14 November 2006, 15:46

hi guys,

just wondering if there is anything that might help me be able to use the quit function on Bloodwych, when running on a 68000 machine?

it's actually for emualtion purposes, since i'm making a front-end for both bloodwych and its data disk. I'ts working fine on the 68020, but becasue pspuae (for where its use is intended) wont support 68020 with the FAME core, i'm looking for an alternative solution.

I tried NOVBRMOVE , which was mentioned int he rainbow islands readme as helping quit on 68000 (although, tbh, i couldnt get the RI slave to run on the 68000 either anyway)..... but all this did was have the reverse effect (disabling quit) on the 68020 setup.

i know the slave is pretty old... (it works on pre v1.0 whdload ffs...

) and somewhat "out of service" - so theres not much point in requesting a fix for it, (certainly not from the author!) but i thought maybe someone would have a solution? or is this a pretty rigid limit of whdload on 68000 machines? thanks for any help that can be offered.

killergorilla · 14 November 2006, 15:53

Someone's gonna have to update the slave

Hungry Horace · 14 November 2006, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Someone's gonna have to update the slave

bugger

i was really hoping that wasnt gonna be the case... i just hope someone will be kind enough to have a look at it then

rare_j · 14 November 2006, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

hi guys,
or is this a pretty rigid limit of whdload on 68000 machines?

Yes it's in the docs, you need a 68010 or better for quitkey unless the slave supports it.

musashi5150 · 14 November 2006, 16:38

The source isn't in the installer archive... so if Wepl doesn't have it - it could be an issue

If the sourcecode was available this could be quite a simple change...

Hungry Horace · 14 November 2006, 16:40

right-e-o.... well if there's anything i can do with a copy of bloodwych, my a500 and my action replay III (or i could just be really lazy and stick to winUAE!) in order to help aid this fix, i'll gladly throw in some man-hours towards it!

edit: musashi5150 - thanks for looking into it.... i was worried that updating it might be an issue, due to the slaves age. fingers-crossed on Wepl then!

musashi5150 · 14 November 2006, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

musashi5150 - thanks for looking into it....

Your welcome

I know about the quit key issue on 68000 because my first WHDLoad install didn't have it and Codetapper pointed it out to me

Also, have you contacted the original author about it? He may well bash out a quick tweak for you...

Hungry Horace · 14 November 2006, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by musashi5150

Also, have you contacted the original author about it? He may well bash out a quick tweak for you...

i sent him an e-mail to the address in the docs... but since i remember speaking to him via that address back in 1998, if he's anything like me with e-mail addresses, he'll have long since abandoned it!

Hungry Horace · 16 November 2006, 19:01

well, i asked Wepl, and he doesnt have any of Morbidus' sources.... and i've still had no word from him on his probably-defunct e-mail address

so i guess there's not much chance of a fix without a complete re-write?
is reverse-engineering it even possible?

i think i still have a fully-working cracked copy (there was a cracked copy which was incomplete as i recall) as well as my original disks, to help out.... but it's a bit much to ask of anyone

Codetapper · 16 November 2006, 21:02

Resourcing slaves is generally easy

Hungry Horace · 16 November 2006, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

Resourcing slaves is generally easy

do we have a volenteer?

i must admit, wepl mentioned resourcing, and i completely misinterpretted it as something that sounded quite difficult! (either finding the source from somewhere else, or a ground-up re-code... i assume this isnt the case then?)

i'd still like to offer any help i could, cos i hate to ask for such things that would benefit myself primarily (and anyone else wanting to play Extended Levels on the PSP of course!

) ... though i'm really not sure what i can offer? i created an edited version of the main executeable which could be used to create a trainer if anyone wanted to add that? it just gives you loads of cool items and stupidly high stats (too high in fact, that needs tweeking a little - hehe)

girv · 16 November 2006, 22:05

I'm up for it, if no-one else wants to.

Hungry Horace · 16 November 2006, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by girv

I'm up for it, if no-one else wants to.

HH prepares himself to shower Girv with gifts and praise

musashi5150 · 17 November 2006, 09:24

Go go Gadget-girv!

girv · 24 November 2006, 02:55

Check the Zone

This is a brand new slave written from scratch, with much help from disassembly of the 1.2 slave by Morbidus. It requires WHDLoad v16.

You should copy it to your install directory and create a new icon for it. You need to create a new "data" subdirectory and copy the "BLOODWYCH" and any "bloodsaveN" files to that directory.

Load & save games are all from hard disk. Ten save positions are supported as before and your existing saves will work. It doesn't do loading/saving from floppy like the 1.2 slave - there will be a RawDIC installer in the final package to transfer your floppy savegames to hard drive.

It should exit on 68000 as well now

Test it and let me know how it goes...

killergorilla · 24 November 2006, 11:04

That's some pretty quick work there sir. Get testing you Bloodwych whores!

You better finish your testing in the same time it took Girv to do the slave...

8 days and counting... *tick* *tock* *tick*

Hungry Horace · 24 November 2006, 11:41

bloody hell, that WAS quick!

thanks Girv!! i guess i know what i'll be doing later.

Bloodwych · 24 November 2006, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Get testing you Bloodwych whores!

YES! Or feel the pain of my merciless hand:

Hungry Horace · 24 November 2006, 12:10

is it a bit soon to ask about the data disk?

*hides from the wrath of Girv!*

girv · 24 November 2006, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

That's some pretty quick work there sir.

See what happens when I take a week off work ?

First real time off in 18 months

and I spend it glued to disassemblies and hex dumps until 3am most mornings

... can't think of a better way right now

@Hungry Horace: no need to fear, the data disk slave will follow

BTW, does it use the same savegames as the main game?

14 November 2006, 15:46	#1
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	quitting on 68000? hi guys, just wondering if there is anything that might help me be able to use the quit function on Bloodwych, when running on a 68000 machine? it's actually for emualtion purposes, since i'm making a front-end for both bloodwych and its data disk. I'ts working fine on the 68020, but becasue pspuae (for where its use is intended) wont support 68020 with the FAME core, i'm looking for an alternative solution. I tried NOVBRMOVE , which was mentioned int he rainbow islands readme as helping quit on 68000 (although, tbh, i couldnt get the RI slave to run on the 68000 either anyway)..... but all this did was have the reverse effect (disabling quit) on the 68020 setup. i know the slave is pretty old... (it works on pre v1.0 whdload ffs... ) and somewhat "out of service" - so theres not much point in requesting a fix for it, (certainly not from the author!) but i thought maybe someone would have a solution? or is this a pretty rigid limit of whdload on 68000 machines? thanks for any help that can be offered.

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14 November 2006, 15:53	#2
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Someone's gonna have to update the slave

14 November 2006, 16:38	#5
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	The source isn't in the installer archive... so if Wepl doesn't have it - it could be an issue If the sourcecode was available this could be quite a simple change...

14 November 2006, 16:40	#6
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	right-e-o.... well if there's anything i can do with a copy of bloodwych, my a500 and my action replay III (or i could just be really lazy and stick to winUAE!) in order to help aid this fix, i'll gladly throw in some man-hours towards it! edit: musashi5150 - thanks for looking into it.... i was worried that updating it might be an issue, due to the slaves age. fingers-crossed on Wepl then!

16 November 2006, 19:01	#9
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	well, i asked Wepl, and he doesnt have any of Morbidus' sources.... and i've still had no word from him on his probably-defunct e-mail address so i guess there's not much chance of a fix without a complete re-write? is reverse-engineering it even possible? i think i still have a fully-working cracked copy (there was a cracked copy which was incomplete as i recall) as well as my original disks, to help out.... but it's a bit much to ask of anyone

16 November 2006, 21:02	#10
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Resourcing slaves is generally easy

16 November 2006, 22:05	#12
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	I'm up for it, if no-one else wants to.

17 November 2006, 09:24	#14
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	Go go Gadget-girv!

24 November 2006, 02:55	#15
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	Check the Zone This is a brand new slave written from scratch, with much help from disassembly of the 1.2 slave by Morbidus. It requires WHDLoad v16. You should copy it to your install directory and create a new icon for it. You need to create a new "data" subdirectory and copy the "BLOODWYCH" and any "bloodsaveN" files to that directory. Load & save games are all from hard disk. Ten save positions are supported as before and your existing saves will work. It doesn't do loading/saving from floppy like the 1.2 slave - there will be a RawDIC installer in the final package to transfer your floppy savegames to hard drive. It should exit on 68000 as well now Test it and let me know how it goes...

24 November 2006, 11:04	#16
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	That's some pretty quick work there sir. Get testing you Bloodwych whores! You better finish your testing in the same time it took Girv to do the slave... 8 days and counting... tick tock tick

24 November 2006, 11:41	#17
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	bloody hell, that WAS quick! thanks Girv!! i guess i know what i'll be doing later.

24 November 2006, 12:10	#19
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	is it a bit soon to ask about the data disk? hides from the wrath of Girv!

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