Is a new AmigaOne coming? - Page 5

Samurai_Crow · 05 January 2010, 18:12

Are you kidding? With a dual-core 1.5 GHz main processor it will run EUAE really well. I suspect that if they finally get a decent Mesa implementation it will use the shader hardware in one of those PCIe x16 card slot graphics cards to do fairly well with emulation. Not only that, but I'd expect the EUAE sources to get modded to run on the Xena chip in a real hurry.

hit · 05 January 2010, 18:17

powerfull machine it seems, but no clue what the xmos-addons are able to deliver. maybe emulation of aga-machines is possible this way too, as seen on [ Show youtube player ] Sid-Emulation on youtube. sourcefiles of the demo are here

Parsec · 05 January 2010, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfletcher

If cant run my old games and demos, sorry but not interested

It will run them via emulation, but the results will be the same as something like UAE on Windows or Linux. Close but not perfect.

It's not really intended for that you're better off keeping your classic hardware.

Edit: unless Xena can be made to do something clever as said above.

DDNI · 05 January 2010, 18:36

doesnt os4 already have a new app called runinUAE or something that runs a classic emu when you dbl click the .adf file?

---------

edit

http://cshandley.co.uk/runinuae/

Oscar Castillo · 05 January 2010, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parsec

So it's more powerful Amiga hardware with a fully programmable coprocessor.

I find it interesting, and it's good to see a new platform being developed. One thing confuses me though, how would multitasking working with that XMOS chip? Surely it can only "be" one thing at one time?

I'm not sure I see the point of the XMOS at all. 400 MIPS is comparable to an old PPC G3. With OpenCL and GPUs readily available why use this? Seems tacked on.

hit · 05 January 2010, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Castillo

I'm not sure I see the point of the XMOS at all. 400 MIPS is comparable to an old PPC G3. With OpenCL and GPUs readily available why use this? Seems tacked on.

yes, not much seen separately, but this xena (xmos) is just a custom chip not the main-cpu - the ocs/aga chipset was only 3.5 MHz compared to 7 Mhz of the main-cpu (68000) - and you can add more. Its been said, they are cheap ( US $5 ?! ).

Edit #2: maybe things like the RPU (realTime Raytracing hardware) - running @ 66MHz - are possible with Xena(s) too.

Parsec · 05 January 2010, 20:05

That is a good point, even as a coprocessor it's not that powerful. Especially compared to a GPU in a PC.

But there is the ability to chain them together, up to 256 of them!

gilgamesh · 05 January 2010, 20:48

Raw computational power is not the only aspect. Larrabee consists of Pentium cores ('93). And it's still cool imo.

chiark · 05 January 2010, 21:15

I'm loving the tags on this thread

hit · 05 January 2010, 21:51

noone with an idea, what could fit in the Xena(s)? *gosh*
what about [ Show youtube player ] emulation ?
since one of the amiga custom chips was inclusing the floppy-controller, is it possible to have one in these Xena(s) - using the xorro-slot to have a floppy connected?

if i got the concept of the Xcore somehow correct, its like an FPGA - but here you have the advantage, its been integrated in a whole system - no need for special developer boards or the like, just an interface card, for what you want connect to it.
doesnt sounds that bad.

mfletcher · 05 January 2010, 22:26

I hope AmigaKit has sold all their stock of SAM440 boards... If you were a prospective buyer, you would probably hold off until this new board come out. When? Nobody knows!

I just wish more investment had gone into more affordable platforms like the minimig...

ancalimon · 05 January 2010, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Castillo

I'm not sure I see the point of the XMOS at all. 400 MIPS is comparable to an old PPC G3. With OpenCL and GPUs readily available why use this? Seems tacked on.

It's just the one on board to experiment on. you can buy the a hundred 1600mips version if you like. or need

Paul_s · 05 January 2010, 23:51

AmigaOne prototype now available on eBay!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180453089933

I've ended it, so at least it doesn't get deleted by eBay

PM me offers

Oscar Castillo · 06 January 2010, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancalimon

It's just the one on board to experiment on. you can buy the a hundred 1600mips version if you like. or need

It doesn't seem practical with more viable solutions readily available. I suppose it may be for emulation of older, simpler hardware not needing much power.

ancalimon · 06 January 2010, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_s

AmigaOne prototype now available on eBay!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180453089933

I've ended it, so at least it doesn't get deleted by eBay

PM me offers

That's not cool

bird · 06 January 2010, 03:51

Sounds almost too good. Besides the presentation so far isnt exactly proffessional.

That being said i gonna keep an eye on this and maybe even hold back buying a new rig 'til summer. The emo thread on amigaworld, if it turns out to be all bubbles again, will be entertaining either way.

xlar54 · 06 January 2010, 07:56

Here's what may be a dumb question. Im glad for all these tech advances over time, but ....whats so wrong with the classic machines? Really? Take an A4000 or 1200 (or 2000 even!), add a large amount of RAM, give them 060 accellerators (or invent an 070, etc). Include a sweet video system. And SELL them. Are these people so blind to see that the market they are selling to, is US? Youre not going to sell and AmigaOneThousand to your average PC user. Its us - this community - who wants an Amiga-branded product. And if we wanted x86 or PPC, we would go with a Mac or Windows machine. 680x0 may be slower, but anymore, who really cares? Have they really learned nothing from brand loyalty?

Slayer · 06 January 2010, 09:27

You lot are never going to change, you keep focusing on what a new Amiga solution can't do instead of realising this will be a great system for THOSE who enjoy using AmigaOS4.x

I've always used AmigaOS and I'm very glad this is coming along... I have 2 SAMs and they are extremely happy about what is going on

You are all blinded by your mass misconception that YOU are supposedly the target market... Sure the DIE Hards like me are going to buy one already, that's a given, make that 2 actually LOL... But you are seriously incorrect if your choice to not buy one is worrying to the bigger picture...

This is where the Amiga is going to emerge again... just like I made my decision to get a cpu that had just been released in 1985/6 someone else will make the choice to get this new machine... It won't be the same market but people are still people and alot of people don't like being the same... anyway...

Gossip away and make fun of a potential turn of events some of you would support if you'd just get past what you expect from todays market and also your discontentment in your own choices of the past...

I've always been 100% Amiga User and I always will, AmigaOS and keeping it out of the hands of others is WAY COOL! heh

On another note this does raise a question for me... I mean, as I collect more New Amiga Hardware, is there really any point holding on to my 90+ classic systems... Do you have any idea how much money I could make if I merely got $100 per system? heh

Paul_s · 06 January 2010, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer

You lot are never going to change, you keep focusing on what a new Amiga solution can't do instead of realising this will be a great system for THOSE who enjoy using AmigaOS4.x

I've always used AmigaOS and I'm very glad this is coming along... I have 2 SAMs and they are extremely happy about what is going on

You are all blinded by your mass misconception that YOU are supposedly the target market... Sure the DIE Hards like me are going to buy one already, that's a given, make that 2 actually LOL... But you are seriously incorrect if your choice to not buy one is worrying to the bigger picture...

This is where the Amiga is going to emerge again... just like I made my decision to get a cpu that had just been released in 1985/6 someone else will make the choice to get this new machine... It won't be the same market but people are still people and alot of people don't like being the same... anyway...

Gossip away and make fun of a potential turn of events some of you would support if you'd just get past what you expect from todays market and also your discontentment in your own choices of the past...

I've always been 100% Amiga User and I always will, AmigaOS and keeping it out of the hands of others is WAY COOL! heh

On another note this does raise a question for me... I mean, as I collect more New Amiga Hardware, is there really any point holding on to my 90+ classic systems... Do you have any idea how much money I could make if I merely got $100 per system? heh

I'd love to play with OS4 just for something different. Windows gets a bit boring after a while

If they just sold a complete solution for a fair price (it WILL need to compete against a Windows box, otherwise the market will be too small and no bugger will buy it and development will be sloowww).

This is the problem with it, Windows/Linux and others can do more for far less. The hardware (x86) is cheap. In a way the OS4 hardware is like the mac was before it was moved over to x86.

The only way OS4 will see a market boost is to drop the bespoke hardware idea and move it over to x86..... sales would go through the roof. But they won't do it for some bizarre reason. Maybe they have more money than sense or just can't be arsed to spend some time recoding it all....

and the vicious circle continues...

T_hairy_bootson · 06 January 2010, 11:02

You're a nut.

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05 January 2010, 18:12	#81
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	Are you kidding? With a dual-core 1.5 GHz main processor it will run EUAE really well. I suspect that if they finally get a decent Mesa implementation it will use the shader hardware in one of those PCIe x16 card slot graphics cards to do fairly well with emulation. Not only that, but I'd expect the EUAE sources to get modded to run on the Xena chip in a real hurry.

05 January 2010, 18:17	#82
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	powerfull machine it seems, but no clue what the xmos-addons are able to deliver. maybe emulation of aga-machines is possible this way too, as seen on [ Show youtube player ] Sid-Emulation on youtube. sourcefiles of the demo are here

05 January 2010, 18:36	#84
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	doesnt os4 already have a new app called runinUAE or something that runs a classic emu when you dbl click the .adf file? --------- edit http://cshandley.co.uk/runinuae/

05 January 2010, 20:05	#87
Parsec Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lancashire Age: 49 Posts: 434	That is a good point, even as a coprocessor it's not that powerful. Especially compared to a GPU in a PC. But there is the ability to chain them together, up to 256 of them!

05 January 2010, 20:48	#88
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Raw computational power is not the only aspect. Larrabee consists of Pentium cores ('93). And it's still cool imo.

05 January 2010, 21:15	#89
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	I'm loving the tags on this thread

05 January 2010, 21:51	#90
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	noone with an idea, what could fit in the Xena(s)? gosh what about [ Show youtube player ] emulation ? since one of the amiga custom chips was inclusing the floppy-controller, is it possible to have one in these Xena(s) - using the xorro-slot to have a floppy connected? if i got the concept of the Xcore somehow correct, its like an FPGA - but here you have the advantage, its been integrated in a whole system - no need for special developer boards or the like, just an interface card, for what you want connect to it. doesnt sounds that bad.

05 January 2010, 22:26	#91
mfletcher Bawbag. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 375	I hope AmigaKit has sold all their stock of SAM440 boards... If you were a prospective buyer, you would probably hold off until this new board come out. When? Nobody knows! I just wish more investment had gone into more affordable platforms like the minimig...

06 January 2010, 03:51	#96
bird tRSi-iNNOVATiONs Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: germany Age: 47 Posts: 33	Sounds almost too good. Besides the presentation so far isnt exactly proffessional. That being said i gonna keep an eye on this and maybe even hold back buying a new rig 'til summer. The emo thread on amigaworld, if it turns out to be all bubbles again, will be entertaining either way.

06 January 2010, 07:56	#97
xlar54 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Columbia, TN Posts: 24	Here's what may be a dumb question. Im glad for all these tech advances over time, but ....whats so wrong with the classic machines? Really? Take an A4000 or 1200 (or 2000 even!), add a large amount of RAM, give them 060 accellerators (or invent an 070, etc). Include a sweet video system. And SELL them. Are these people so blind to see that the market they are selling to, is US? Youre not going to sell and AmigaOneThousand to your average PC user. Its us - this community - who wants an Amiga-branded product. And if we wanted x86 or PPC, we would go with a Mac or Windows machine. 680x0 may be slower, but anymore, who really cares? Have they really learned nothing from brand loyalty?

06 January 2010, 09:27	#98
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 56 Posts: 695	You lot are never going to change, you keep focusing on what a new Amiga solution can't do instead of realising this will be a great system for THOSE who enjoy using AmigaOS4.x I've always used AmigaOS and I'm very glad this is coming along... I have 2 SAMs and they are extremely happy about what is going on You are all blinded by your mass misconception that YOU are supposedly the target market... Sure the DIE Hards like me are going to buy one already, that's a given, make that 2 actually LOL... But you are seriously incorrect if your choice to not buy one is worrying to the bigger picture... This is where the Amiga is going to emerge again... just like I made my decision to get a cpu that had just been released in 1985/6 someone else will make the choice to get this new machine... It won't be the same market but people are still people and alot of people don't like being the same... anyway... Gossip away and make fun of a potential turn of events some of you would support if you'd just get past what you expect from todays market and also your discontentment in your own choices of the past... I've always been 100% Amiga User and I always will, AmigaOS and keeping it out of the hands of others is WAY COOL! heh On another note this does raise a question for me... I mean, as I collect more New Amiga Hardware, is there really any point holding on to my 90+ classic systems... Do you have any idea how much money I could make if I merely got $100 per system? heh

06 January 2010, 11:02	#100
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	You're a nut.

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