Which LCD monitor for Amiga - Page 4

pbareges · 09 November 2006, 16:48

guys !! just stop the mind blowing...XRGB is the only way to optimize any 15khz display on modern VGA display!! real SCART inputs are very rare on modern displays, ie only composite switch is plugged most of the time. Displays with real 15khz RGB inputs cost gap with standard displays give you the ability to buy xrgb box and solve this issue once for all regardless of your display...there's also a 31khz switch on the box, giving really good results with interlaced modes!!!

alewis · 09 November 2006, 18:54

Nah, scan doubler, flicker fixer, gfx card and autoswitcher. THATS the only way to go ;-)

Ebster · 09 November 2006, 19:13

hi guys,

i just ordered the samsung syncmaster 940 mw for total of 320€ as it has the following inputs:

15pin D-sub, DVI-D, CVBS, S-Video, SCART Component, RF

someone on the german forum64 said it also worked flawlessly with the c64 so i plan to connect the following:

D-sub: a1200 with flickerfixer
dvi-d: pc
s-video: c64
cvbs: c16
scart: snes
rf: atari vc2600

this should save me some space on my computer desk

horizontal freq: 33-81khz
vertical freq: 56-75hz

jotd · 09 November 2006, 20:49

I'm using a LCD NEC 1980Xi with a scandoubler and all modes work (520€ on sale six months ago)

Most of LCD monitors won't accept PAL, only NTSC. This one works with PAL too. To top it all, it has 3 video inputs, so you don't need a screen switch as you just have to press a button. This is the perfect LCD monitor for the amiga (if someone is interested I can post a photograph with the amiga running in PAL on it)

Analog input for PAL/NTSC/native screenmodes
Numeric input for Picasso/gfx board screenmodes
The 3rd one is useless since it's for new PCs

Before buying a LCD monitor (if you have a scandoubler), check if horizontal refresh can be as low as 50Hz (those are rare, the alternative was outpriced LaCie monitors). Samsung can only accept 56-75 Hz (not KHz) so say goodbye to PAL mode

Antiriad · 09 November 2006, 21:23

photograph please jean!

dambuster · 11 November 2006, 09:50

slightly off topic but where can you get scandoubler/flicker fixers from ?

alexh · 11 November 2006, 11:29

They are built into LCD TV's

Ebay, Amibench.... They are all sold out in the shops. SoftHut, Vesalia and AmigaKit dont have any left.

dambuster · 11 November 2006, 19:25

Cheers
had tried Amigakit but as you said nowt.
I'm using a LCD TV, A2000 connected to the Scart RGB, and the A1200 to the VGA port, not tried to see if it will sink with 15KHz modes but will try this evening.
Hopefully the Dragon 1200 wont be delayed tooooo long, as ive got the Radeon 9200, via Ethernet card, SIS based ATA cards etc all waiting to be fitted.

Ebster · 12 November 2006, 17:26

@jotd: this is pal hi-res on the samsung syncmaster 940 mw with external flifi from dce:

jimmer78 · 08 June 2008, 01:30

Instead of a scan doubler / flicker fixer will this work just as well for an A1200:

http://www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/...ox-p-1009.html

Just wanted to check?

Mr B · 16 June 2008, 14:11

Will it work? Yes. Will it work as well as a flickerfixer/Scandoubler... Dunno.
B!

18 October 2008, 01:22

Hi everybody. Some days ago i have buyed a new monitor for my PC. My old monitor is now on the A1200 and... i can see all the screens, also the TV resolution, without a scandoubler, only with a VGA adapter. The monitori is an LG M1721a. It has one input selection called RGB-DTV (desktop video) and another called RGB-PC: with the first i can see all the screens. I'm very happy! Sorry for my english: i'm italian.

DDNI · 18 October 2008, 08:22

welcome lopex. Good find!

18 October 2008, 17:34

Some photos of my Amiga 1200 system: i play with "Turrican III".

Photon · 18 October 2008, 23:43

Sune, we share the same taste in joysticks I think

Very nice... a plank with some holes in it is the best. I put my "plank" across my knees, which is very comfy. I'm also on AT.

Andymiga · 20 October 2008, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lopex

Hi everybody. Some days ago i have buyed a new monitor for my PC. My old monitor is now on the A1200 and... i can see all the screens, also the TV resolution, without a scandoubler, only with a VGA adapter. The monitori is an LG M1721a. It has one input selection called RGB-DTV (desktop video) and another called RGB-PC: with the first i can see all the screens. I'm very happy! Sorry for my english: i'm italian.

Hi, I also bought the M1721A. In fact, the front of the monitor says "Flatron M1721A" (in the upper left corner) and the back panel says "LG Flatron M1721A-BZ".

I'm connecting my Amiga via SCART(RGB) to the SCART input of the monitor (labelled AV1).

When I press the "input" button on top of the monitor, I don't have a RGB(DTV) or RGB(PC) option at all!

The options I get are:

* TV
* AV1
* AV2
* RGB

What is your exact model, does it say "M1721A-BZ" on the back panel (small writing) or just M1721A?

Have you tried the SCART connection? Do you get the DTV/PC options?

Thanks for the info

fc.studio · 20 October 2008, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andymiga

Hi, I also bought the M1721A. In fact, the front of the monitor says "Flatron M1721A" (in the upper left corner) and the back panel says "LG Flatron M1721A-BZ".

I'm connecting my Amiga via SCART(RGB) to the SCART input of the monitor (labelled AV1).

When I press the "input" button on top of the monitor, I don't have a RGB(DTV) or RGB(PC) option at all!

The options I get are:

* TV
* AV1
* AV2
* RGB

What is your exact model, does it say "M1721A-BZ" on the back panel (small writing) or just M1721A?

Have you tried the SCART connection? Do you get the DTV/PC options?

Thanks for the info

I have the same problem with the M1921A-BZ that I bought!

It seems that "BZ" models don't have the "DTV/PC" option but only RGB, therefore they can't have PAL by VGA connection with adapter as done above (NO SCART CONNECTION).
This is confirmed on reading the 2 italian manuals for the 2 models from LG site.
Unfortunately it seems you can see the exact model on reading the back panel or outside the packaging only.

Andymiga · 21 October 2008, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio

It seems that "BZ" models don't have the "DTV/PC" option but only RGB, therefore they can't have PAL by VGA connection with adapter as done above (NO SCART CONNECTION).
This is confirmed on reading the 2 italian manuals for the 2 models from LG site.
Unfortunately it seems you can see the exact model on reading the back panel or outside the packaging only.

That does not seem to always be the case:

I have a friend who has the same monitor as me (LG M1721A-BZ) and he has both the RGB-DTV and RGB-PC input options, but I only have RGB

--- I think we must check all the codes and manufacturing dates of the monitors.

Here is my specs:

FRONT PANEL:
"Flatron M1721A"

BACK PANEL:
LG Flatron M1721A-BZ
Model No.: M1721AH
Product code: M1721A-BZH.AEUOLPP
Manufactured: June 2008

I will go to his place and check what all the other differences are; this is very interesting indeed. I will post my findings here, when I get any results. Stay tuned

edit: there's the extra "H" at the end of the Model No... I wonder if it means "Handicapped"?

Mr B · 21 October 2008, 12:35

Why not just email LG and ask them about it? I know, they may bery well not be able to answer, but who knows, perhaps they can give a list of specific model numbers?
B!

Andymiga · 21 October 2008, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr B

Why not just email LG and ask them about it? I know, they may bery well not be able to answer, but who knows, perhaps they can give a list of specific model numbers?
B!

Thanks for the good idea! I just did. We'll see what they have to say...

09 November 2006, 19:13	#63
Ebster Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Frankfurt / Germany Age: 48 Posts: 313	hi guys, i just ordered the samsung syncmaster 940 mw for total of 320€ as it has the following inputs: 15pin D-sub, DVI-D, CVBS, S-Video, SCART Component, RF someone on the german forum64 said it also worked flawlessly with the c64 so i plan to connect the following: D-sub: a1200 with flickerfixer dvi-d: pc s-video: c64 cvbs: c16 scart: snes rf: atari vc2600 this should save me some space on my computer desk horizontal freq: 33-81khz vertical freq: 56-75hz Last edited by Ebster; 10 November 2006 at 19:16.

12 November 2006, 17:26	#69
Ebster Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Frankfurt / Germany Age: 48 Posts: 313	@jotd: this is pal hi-res on the samsung syncmaster 940 mw with external flifi from dce: Attached Thumbnails

08 June 2008, 01:30	#70
jimmer78 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 133	question Instead of a scan doubler / flicker fixer will this work just as well for an A1200: http://www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/...ox-p-1009.html Just wanted to check?

18 October 2008, 01:22	#72
Lopex Posts: n/a	LG M1721a Hi everybody. Some days ago i have buyed a new monitor for my PC. My old monitor is now on the A1200 and... i can see all the screens, also the TV resolution, without a scandoubler, only with a VGA adapter. The monitori is an LG M1721a. It has one input selection called RGB-DTV (desktop video) and another called RGB-PC: with the first i can see all the screens. I'm very happy! Sorry for my english: i'm italian.

18 October 2008, 17:34	#74
Lopex Posts: n/a	Some photos Some photos of my Amiga 1200 system: i play with "Turrican III". Attached Thumbnails

09 November 2006, 16:48	#61
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	guys !! just stop the mind blowing...XRGB is the only way to optimize any 15khz display on modern VGA display!! real SCART inputs are very rare on modern displays, ie only composite switch is plugged most of the time. Displays with real 15khz RGB inputs cost gap with standard displays give you the ability to buy xrgb box and solve this issue once for all regardless of your display...there's also a 31khz switch on the box, giving really good results with interlaced modes!!!

09 November 2006, 18:54	#62
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 600	Nah, scan doubler, flicker fixer, gfx card and autoswitcher. THATS the only way to go ;-)

09 November 2006, 20:49	#64
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	I'm using a LCD NEC 1980Xi with a scandoubler and all modes work (520€ on sale six months ago) Most of LCD monitors won't accept PAL, only NTSC. This one works with PAL too. To top it all, it has 3 video inputs, so you don't need a screen switch as you just have to press a button. This is the perfect LCD monitor for the amiga (if someone is interested I can post a photograph with the amiga running in PAL on it) Analog input for PAL/NTSC/native screenmodes Numeric input for Picasso/gfx board screenmodes The 3rd one is useless since it's for new PCs Before buying a LCD monitor (if you have a scandoubler), check if horizontal refresh can be as low as 50Hz (those are rare, the alternative was outpriced LaCie monitors). Samsung can only accept 56-75 Hz (not KHz) so say goodbye to PAL mode

09 November 2006, 21:23	#65
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,141	photograph please jean!

11 November 2006, 09:50	#66
dambuster Zone Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dundee / Scotland Posts: 151	slightly off topic but where can you get scandoubler/flicker fixers from ?

11 November 2006, 11:29	#67
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	They are built into LCD TV's Ebay, Amibench.... They are all sold out in the shops. SoftHut, Vesalia and AmigaKit dont have any left.

11 November 2006, 19:25	#68
dambuster Zone Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dundee / Scotland Posts: 151	Cheers had tried Amigakit but as you said nowt. I'm using a LCD TV, A2000 connected to the Scart RGB, and the A1200 to the VGA port, not tried to see if it will sink with 15KHz modes but will try this evening. Hopefully the Dragon 1200 wont be delayed tooooo long, as ive got the Radeon 9200, via Ethernet card, SIS based ATA cards etc all waiting to be fitted.

16 June 2008, 14:11	#71
Mr B Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 749	Will it work? Yes. Will it work as well as a flickerfixer/Scandoubler... Dunno. B!

18 October 2008, 08:22	#73
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,432	welcome lopex. Good find!

18 October 2008, 23:43	#75
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,604	Sune, we share the same taste in joysticks I think Very nice... a plank with some holes in it is the best. I put my "plank" across my knees, which is very comfy. I'm also on AT.

21 October 2008, 12:35	#79
Mr B Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 749	Why not just email LG and ask them about it? I know, they may bery well not be able to answer, but who knows, perhaps they can give a list of specific model numbers? B!

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