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This sounds interesting. I'm surely going to check this lead, thank you. |
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The sourcecode leak contains the full code to build AmigaOS/Workbench v40.42, and then there is some work started for a future version. The leaked sources are an image from when CBM went bankrupt (1994). That said, SetPatch is not included, but it is probably because of its nature (being a patch intended to fix the bugs that developers made when they already had the kickstart roms sent to production in a rush, and could not change them due to release schedules and/or budget). There is a lot of work that has been done by former CBM, Escom, Amiga Inc developers that have fixed bugs and enhanced quite some more the OS, and that it is not included and was done post bankrupcy. That code is probably only in the hands of Olaf Barthel, Thomas Richter, Heinz Wrobel and a few others. |
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C= was a hydra of a beast with a nightmare of international independent parts - are we certain that the part producing the source was not (partially?) transfering the rights to some other part? |
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23 April 2017, 17:36 | #105 |
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Did anyone else get a friendly visit to their inbox from Cloanto or was it just me ?
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23 April 2017, 19:18 | #110 |
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Hey, I'm a witty guy, but I ain't trolling
I guess it's not nice to expose private messages, but it was something like "why the hate, what did we do, and can we do something about it". Now, I would have appreciated it if their representative had posted this in one of the threads, and took part in the discussion. That's where Q&As are supposed to take place. This way, doing it in private, seem like a mobster whispering to your ear: "nice family you have there". 100% polite I am genuinely surprised no one else got a message from them. Perhaps I'm the only one who looks like a sap that can easily be bullied EDIT: Coincidentally, LadyJane appeared at the same time |
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This sounds weird. I'm wondering what's going on, because this is not something discussed with Mike. |
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Indeed. Hyperion have the source and a license to modify but that isn't the same as ownership.
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It would be very interesting to get some official Cloanto person's opinion in these matters. It would be of benefit to both parties if we agreed where the future of Amiga OS 3.x lies ;-) Apart from risking being digitally beaten up by bitter and grumpy geeks, what do they have to lose? |
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I'd like to add my voice to the chorus directed to Cloanto or whoever holds the rights to AOS3.1/3.9 and the Kickstarts that if they wish to keep selling their products, the community needs the sources. We can't keep piling hacks on top of hacks just to make new hardware work. The devs need a real solution to the problem of making AOS grow and keep up with the times. So yeah, a non-profit which holds all rights to the sources and offers them for free would be the best solution. Thanks to everyone in this thread for pursuing this noble objective |
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Open-source doesn't have to be the end of commercial activity - look at Linux. RedHat made roughly a squillion dollars last year selling a collection of open source software.
Now, obviously, there's perhaps not quite as much money to be made in the Amiga world, but it goes to show that Cloanto and the like needn't be scared of open-sourcing hitting their bottom lines. |
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Lol, i'm not sure in what reality you are living.
Sure private desktops and laptops aren't terribly huge (theres quite large business setups though). But things like servers? 'Other UNIX flavors'? You are essentially arse raped if you are still vendor locked to one nowadays, nobody does now setups on propietary UNIX. And BSD 'just as likely' come on, theres a couple of holdouts which standardised on BSD 15 years ago, some specific cases due to BSD licensing (games consoles) and then it gets quiet reaaaaally quick. At my work we run most of our infrastructure on top of various shapes and forms of Linux and we make more in a month then the whole post-commodore Amiga 'industry' has done in the last 25 years. Try not to be silly, it makes you seem like a deluded madman holding on to glories long since past. 'CPU variations fragment the market and make Linux slow' slow!? oh fuck i'm not even getting into this :-/ success? a resounding one. |
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All of the SAS products I worked on were Linux or Solaris only on the server. With slowlaris getting edged out as customers upgraded. BSD is a non event really... mainly legacy. Docker has pushed the industry into using Linux for cloud.. rightly or wrongly.
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