Fusion Mac Emulator - Page 2

emufan · 05 August 2017, 00:00

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Originally Posted by amigoun

Did the mode 13 (320x200) worked for you? I never had luck making it work with graphics card.

not really. I did not run the emulation. i only did some configuration.

JimDrew · 09 August 2017, 01:23

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Originally Posted by Umpal

Dear Jim, how do I quit from PCx? (returning to Workbench.) Documentation doesn't say a word about it. This question, unanswered, has been asked some 11 years ago w/o any hint. Maybe now this mistery will be solved with your help

And please, make some update on the progress of your work

Right-Amiga-Q was the OS standard method of quitting applications, so that option is available. As stated in the .guide file, you can do that or the Amiga-Amiga-ALT option.

I am currently moving to a new location. I have decided to start producing new hardware and software for the C64/128 and Amiga full-time again after I settle into my new location. I just can't seem to quit.

Umpal · 15 August 2017, 18:01

Excellent news Jim

Looking forward to it.

Englyst · 14 September 2018, 11:55

I had an Emplant board in my Amiga 3000 and loved it. It would sure be great to have updated FUSION and if possible an Emplant board again in my A2000. A2000 that wants a Vampire card first

Thanks for the good news Jim!

Michael · 14 April 2019, 09:08

It would be awesome if we could get RTG driver for PCx, otherwise it id very limiting and can not be run on a powered up system with a graphics card that can take advantage of it.

And while PC-TASK works on RTG, for some reason you can not run text mode in full 640x400 resolution, or can you ? In this respect PCx running on AGA can do it nicely and the end result is very good hi res text output.

JimDrew · 15 April 2019, 10:14

PCx already works on graphics cards. You can just use mode promotion to get any of the standard screens on the video card. MODE13 (320x200) is really the only mode that needs to be special to handle MODE-X (for DOOM, Wolf 3D, etc.) and that is handled by the current video driver.

Michael · 15 April 2019, 19:43

Spent a few hours today trying all sorts of combinations without success.
VGA and VGA_AGA work fine, they can be promoted to DBLSCAN mode.
Promoting these to RTG in P96 or CGX creates a black screen, but emulation is running fine.

Now trying with VGA_Direct and VGA_Special under P96(2.x) and CGX(4) only produces enforcer hits and a deep crash, the screen does not even open.
The ModeIDs in the listed video mode list seem to be from the P96 type.

All drivers seems to be version 1.3, were there any others?

JimDrew · 19 April 2019, 03:43

Yes, v1.4 was the last version released (all drivers were v1.4).

VER$ = Display Driver 1.4 (11.05.97)

Michael · 19 April 2019, 20:05

Well, then out of luck, demo 2.1 came with 1.2 driver that also dose not work and no other driver can be found on the web now.

JimDrew · 20 April 2019, 20:13

The demo drivers didn't support mode promotion.

Michael · 22 April 2019, 08:31

What versions were available and are final ?
The DEMO is listed as 2.1 (1996) but in practice feels more like 1.0 and comes with 1.2 drivers
The release version of PCx is 1.1 (1997) and comes with 1.3 drivers and was published in 2000 as AF cover disk.

So were there any other versions made and made available to the public ?

Any chances to see the 1.4 drivers ?

Do you have any plans for PCx in foreseen future ?

The last comments written by you were about a possibility of PPC plugin for PCx, what happened to that ? A twin cpu approach would have worked nicely, 68K for main emulation and PPC for x86 code translation.

JimDrew · 22 April 2019, 17:06

I shipped v1.4 drivers with the latest version that I released before the distribution rights (not the copyrights) were sold. The last release version of PCx was v2.0 but was only released via our website as an update. New video drivers were also released, including a direct video driver for Cybergraphics systems. Two years ago I released a new version of PCx (v3.0) as a beta to the Vampire developers while working on some optimizations for the Vampire (which turned out to be a waste of time as the special instructions that Gunnar added made no difference in the speed).

At some point I will make a new PCx package. I will NOT be supporting PPC... that would be a waste of my time as PPC is horrible.

Michael · 23 April 2019, 17:51

That sounds very promising. And indeed, ppc support is very limited by nature, unless it is possible to just compile a c source into ppc version the extra efforts required have little return.

Can you shed a little bit of light as to why FusionPPC did not mature (it was close) or it did, just as always never became widely known to the public ?

JimDrew · 23 April 2019, 20:10

PCx is 1.6 million lines of 68K assembly code. I don't do C code or compilers.

iFUSION (which was the PPC version of FUSION) was something that I never wanted to do. I can't stand PowerPC and got tired of the constant changing of PPC libraries for warpos, so once it worked I sold it so someone else could deal with it.

Michael · 24 April 2019, 17:15

We knew it from day 1, otherwise it would have been difficult to achieve something reasonably speedy at the time. I was thinking of just using some regularly available cpu emulation code and comping it in ppc, and see if it could be of benefit. Something like winuae did for ppc to x86, but the other way round this time.

Yes, the ppc kernel war did not help and the crowd founded iF project (an early bird at the time) did not mature enough. Still, I think that was a wonderful time for computing.

Grex · 09 June 2019, 17:50

1. Dear Mr Drew! Nice to hear that there is life again in the development of Fusion and Pcx.
I bought the Fusion-Pcx-Bundle a long time ago. However at that point of time Haage&Partner had already stopped offering support or updates, and also the Microcode-Solutions-Website was already gone. Where can I get the latest updates and drivers for the original 68k-versions of Fusion and Pcx? Me and my A4000/060 would be very happy about it.

2. It has been said in this thread, that Fusion 3.3 is a fake. I haven't checked if the version mentioned before is identical to my 3.3-version. However back then, since all other support was gone, I contacted Joe Fenton. He couldn't help much, but he did - apart from some Pcx-Beta-Stuff - mail version 3.3 of Fusion to me. He said that it was mainly a fix for Mediator-boards. I don't own a Mediator-board, so I can't test if this is the case.
Anyway, this is why I think that 3.3 is not a fake.

rygar · 09 June 2019, 21:06

Grex, upload you version 3.3 do "The Zone"

Grex · 10 June 2019, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by rygar

Grex, upload you version 3.3 do "The Zone"

I think that JimDrew made clear that he didn't agree to release Fusion (68k) or Pcx (68k) for free (please correct me if I'm wrong). Since this "update" is not of "patch-type" but a complete executable, I can't upload it to the zone.

DamienD · 10 June 2019, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grex

I think that JimDrew made clear that he didn't agree to release Fusion (68k) or Pcx (68k) for free (please correct me if I'm wrong).

That's correct... I spent hours removing any versions from the "EAB FTP Server" a few months back.

Estrayk · 10 June 2019, 23:27

We respect Jim's decision but the question is: Can we buy PCX & Fusion legally today? Where? I know more than one person that could be interested.

It's a bit frustrating that Jim tells us: No, you should not use the cracked versions from Digital Corruption and you can not buy it even if you have money and want to do it legally.

Is it so complicated to talk with apc-tcp.de for example and reach an agreement with them? Maybe you can not have total control of the units sold but that's better than nothing, right?

Jim, this is not an attack, it's just an idea, we respect your decision but you understand that it's a frustrating situation.

23 April 2019, 17:51	#33
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	That sounds very promising. And indeed, ppc support is very limited by nature, unless it is possible to just compile a c source into ppc version the extra efforts required have little return. Can you shed a little bit of light as to why FusionPPC did not mature (it was close) or it did, just as always never became widely known to the public ? Last edited by Michael; 23 April 2019 at 18:21. Reason: spelling

09 June 2019, 17:50	#36
Grex Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 67	1. Dear Mr Drew! Nice to hear that there is life again in the development of Fusion and Pcx. I bought the Fusion-Pcx-Bundle a long time ago. However at that point of time Haage&Partner had already stopped offering support or updates, and also the Microcode-Solutions-Website was already gone. Where can I get the latest updates and drivers for the original 68k-versions of Fusion and Pcx? Me and my A4000/060 would be very happy about it. 2. It has been said in this thread, that Fusion 3.3 is a fake. I haven't checked if the version mentioned before is identical to my 3.3-version. However back then, since all other support was gone, I contacted Joe Fenton. He couldn't help much, but he did - apart from some Pcx-Beta-Stuff - mail version 3.3 of Fusion to me. He said that it was mainly a fix for Mediator-boards. I don't own a Mediator-board, so I can't test if this is the case. Anyway, this is why I think that 3.3 is not a fake. Last edited by Grex; 10 June 2019 at 19:10.

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15 August 2017, 18:01	#23
Umpal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: DR Posts: 31	Excellent news Jim Looking forward to it.

14 September 2018, 11:55	#24
Englyst Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Hornslet, Denmark Age: 51 Posts: 100	I had an Emplant board in my Amiga 3000 and loved it. It would sure be great to have updated FUSION and if possible an Emplant board again in my A2000. A2000 that wants a Vampire card first Thanks for the good news Jim!

14 April 2019, 09:08	#25
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	It would be awesome if we could get RTG driver for PCx, otherwise it id very limiting and can not be run on a powered up system with a graphics card that can take advantage of it. And while PC-TASK works on RTG, for some reason you can not run text mode in full 640x400 resolution, or can you ? In this respect PCx running on AGA can do it nicely and the end result is very good hi res text output.

15 April 2019, 10:14	#26
JimDrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ Posts: 741	PCx already works on graphics cards. You can just use mode promotion to get any of the standard screens on the video card. MODE13 (320x200) is really the only mode that needs to be special to handle MODE-X (for DOOM, Wolf 3D, etc.) and that is handled by the current video driver.

15 April 2019, 19:43	#27
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	Spent a few hours today trying all sorts of combinations without success. VGA and VGA_AGA work fine, they can be promoted to DBLSCAN mode. Promoting these to RTG in P96 or CGX creates a black screen, but emulation is running fine. Now trying with VGA_Direct and VGA_Special under P96(2.x) and CGX(4) only produces enforcer hits and a deep crash, the screen does not even open. The ModeIDs in the listed video mode list seem to be from the P96 type. All drivers seems to be version 1.3, were there any others?

19 April 2019, 03:43	#28
JimDrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ Posts: 741	Yes, v1.4 was the last version released (all drivers were v1.4). VER$ = Display Driver 1.4 (11.05.97)

19 April 2019, 20:05	#29
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	Well, then out of luck, demo 2.1 came with 1.2 driver that also dose not work and no other driver can be found on the web now.

20 April 2019, 20:13	#30
JimDrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ Posts: 741	The demo drivers didn't support mode promotion.

22 April 2019, 08:31	#31
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	What versions were available and are final ? The DEMO is listed as 2.1 (1996) but in practice feels more like 1.0 and comes with 1.2 drivers The release version of PCx is 1.1 (1997) and comes with 1.3 drivers and was published in 2000 as AF cover disk. So were there any other versions made and made available to the public ? Any chances to see the 1.4 drivers ? Do you have any plans for PCx in foreseen future ? The last comments written by you were about a possibility of PPC plugin for PCx, what happened to that ? A twin cpu approach would have worked nicely, 68K for main emulation and PPC for x86 code translation.

22 April 2019, 17:06	#32
JimDrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ Posts: 741	I shipped v1.4 drivers with the latest version that I released before the distribution rights (not the copyrights) were sold. The last release version of PCx was v2.0 but was only released via our website as an update. New video drivers were also released, including a direct video driver for Cybergraphics systems. Two years ago I released a new version of PCx (v3.0) as a beta to the Vampire developers while working on some optimizations for the Vampire (which turned out to be a waste of time as the special instructions that Gunnar added made no difference in the speed). At some point I will make a new PCx package. I will NOT be supporting PPC... that would be a waste of my time as PPC is horrible.

23 April 2019, 20:10	#34
JimDrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ Posts: 741	PCx is 1.6 million lines of 68K assembly code. I don't do C code or compilers. iFUSION (which was the PPC version of FUSION) was something that I never wanted to do. I can't stand PowerPC and got tired of the constant changing of PPC libraries for warpos, so once it worked I sold it so someone else could deal with it.

24 April 2019, 17:15	#35
Michael A1260T/PPC/BV/SCSI/NET Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Moscow / Russia Posts: 839	We knew it from day 1, otherwise it would have been difficult to achieve something reasonably speedy at the time. I was thinking of just using some regularly available cpu emulation code and comping it in ppc, and see if it could be of benefit. Something like winuae did for ppc to x86, but the other way round this time. Yes, the ppc kernel war did not help and the crowd founded iF project (an early bird at the time) did not mature enough. Still, I think that was a wonderful time for computing.

09 June 2019, 21:06	#37
rygar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,297	Grex, upload you version 3.3 do "The Zone"

10 June 2019, 23:27	#40
Estrayk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Spain Posts: 511	We respect Jim's decision but the question is: Can we buy PCX & Fusion legally today? Where? I know more than one person that could be interested. It's a bit frustrating that Jim tells us: No, you should not use the cracked versions from Digital Corruption and you can not buy it even if you have money and want to do it legally. Is it so complicated to talk with apc-tcp.de for example and reach an agreement with them? Maybe you can not have total control of the units sold but that's better than nothing, right? Jim, this is not an attack, it's just an idea, we respect your decision but you understand that it's a frustrating situation.

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