help! I might have killed my amiga 3000!

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 05:51

So, I decided I wanted to upgrade the kickstart rom in my A3000D, which had its original roms (1.4) in it, so that I could then upgrade to OS 3.5 or 3.9. I have changed out socketed DIP type switches like this before, so, it didn't seem to be much of a challenge to do. I gently removed them with a chip puller, and then proceeded to put the Cloanto 3.X ROMS into the proper sockets. I bought these roms from Vesalia.de. I put them into the Amiga, and then rebooted. I got a yellow screen, and, this quickly went away, and the amiga was silent. I plugged everything back in (daughter board, floppy, scsi hd) that I had removed, and still nothing. So, I pulled the 3.X roms and put my old ones back in to the proper orientation, but, the Amiga still will not boot. I put the one marked ROM0V5 in the ROM0 slot, and ROM1V5 into the ROM 1 slot. I put the chip into the proper orientation from what I can tell (the originals didn't have the little notch on them that you line up with the DIP socket's notch, but, the 3.X roms did). The originals had a DOT on the top of the chip, which I oriented towards the notch on the socket. What did I do wrong?

Jope · 17 June 2016, 06:38

Did you have the Zorro daughterboard in when you tried to start the A3000 with the 1.4 ROMs? It will not boot without it.

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Did you have the Zorro daughterboard in when you tried to start the A3000 with the 1.4 ROMs? It will not boot without it.

Yes, I have it all back together. All I get is a black screen, no floppy drive noise, no hard disk spinning up. Just the LED on the front of the case lights up.

TjLaZer · 17 June 2016, 07:41

are they in a ROM tower? Does your 3000 have two sets of ROMs for kickstart?

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 08:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjLaZer

are they in a ROM tower? Does your 3000 have two sets of ROMs for kickstart?

No, it has one set of sockets. The other area on the board that would be used for another set does not have sockets. Just the print on the PCB denoting where the second ROM1 and ROM0 would go.

I have the kickstart chips in the following sockets:

Chip 390630-02-ROM1V5 is in socket U181
Chip 390629-02-ROM0V5 is in socket U180

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 08:30

Here is a picture of how the area looks:

Jope · 17 June 2016, 09:01

In a ROM tower A3000 the chips are so that ROM1V5 is in U180 and ROM0V5 is in U181. You could try swapping them around.

http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/d...0_romtower.jpg

alexh · 17 June 2016, 09:01

Should you get it working again with the original ROMS but not the new ones I can provide files to go on your hard drive so you can use OS3.9

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

In a ROM tower A3000 the chips are so that ROM1V5 is in U180 and ROM0V5 is in U181. You could try swapping them around.

http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/d...0_romtower.jpg

Stupid me. Changing them out as you said fixed the problem. I had even gone and read some Amiga schematics for which chip goes where, and it had the chips as I had placed them back in there. I wonder if this is why the 3.X rom chips didn't boot the computer either. They are clearly marked as to which socket they go into, but, maybe this too is reversed from what it should be.

Daedalus · 17 June 2016, 09:45

Aren't 3.X ROMs mainly for using 3.1 with enhancements? 3.9 is made to run on 3.1 ROMs, though I'm sure it can be made to work with suitable fiddling and disabling of modules.

Jope · 17 June 2016, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirk_m

Stupid me. Changing them out as you said fixed the problem. I had even gone and read some Amiga schematics for which chip goes where, and it had the chips as I had placed them back in there. I wonder if this is why the 3.X rom chips didn't boot the computer either. They are clearly marked as to which socket they go into, but, maybe this too is reversed from what it should be.

Yeah, try swapping the 3.1 chips around too, before you give up.

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Yeah, try swapping the 3.1 chips around too, before you give up.

Oddly enough, the 3.X ones now work in the sockets they were designed for, not reversed, as the 1.4 ones do. What's odd though is that the floppy drive won't boot now. It will load to a workbench screen with no icons from the hard drive, because LOADWB fails (I guess it's a version incompatibility). I've tried three different amiga floppy drives, including an external, and, it won't read them.

Daedalus · 17 June 2016, 10:26

Floppy problems have been reported with the 3.X ROMs before. See this thread for example. I would suggest 3.1 ROMs would be a better way to go if you're looking to run OS 3.9. The 3.X ROMs appear to be a half-baked effort primarily intended for emulation purposes.

Also, if you're getting a blank Workbench screen, it might be a missing workbench.library file. This was present in the old ROMs (except for the A4000T ones) but was removed from 3.X for all models to make space for other improvements, and must be put in LIBS: on the boot drive instead for Workbench to work.

idrougge · 17 June 2016, 13:36

Don't get 3.x ROMs if you want to boot from floppy.

This should be pointed out by any reseller of Cloanto ROMs, so that the community doesn't have to act as Cloanto's unpaid support department.

Jope · 17 June 2016, 13:41

You need to copy workbench.library to libs: from an A4000T workbench disk first, then you will be able to load WB with the 3.x ROMs.

I've also seen the reports about drives not working, not sure what's going on there - I have not purchased a 3.x ROM set for any of my machines..

obitus1990 · 17 June 2016, 17:18

Ordered 3.1 ROMs. I am going to see if Vesalia will take these back, being that they don't work. Provided shipping isn't ridiculous.

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barryn · 31 July 2018, 09:46

PM me if you haven't gotten this working yet. I can tell you how to softload 3.1 from hard disk or floppy.

obitus1990 · 10 August 2018, 05:42

The 3000 is plugging along...thanks for asking. But, I am very tempted to put the 1.4 ROMS back in to get a dual or triple boot option (if possible) for wb 1.3, 3.1, and 3.9. What would I need to do that?

hth313 · 10 August 2018, 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirk_m

The 3000 is plugging along...thanks for asking. But, I am very tempted to put the 1.4 ROMS back in to get a dual or triple boot option (if possible) for wb 1.3, 3.1, and 3.9. What would I need to do that?

You could visit my recent threads...

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92493
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=93249

alexh · 10 August 2018, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirk_m

triple boot option (if possible)

Not possible. You can only boot 2 partitions. Remember that there are two minor negatives

1) Uses 512KiB of chipram
2) Uses the MMU so you can't use it for anything else

17 June 2016, 05:51	#1
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	help! I might have killed my amiga 3000! So, I decided I wanted to upgrade the kickstart rom in my A3000D, which had its original roms (1.4) in it, so that I could then upgrade to OS 3.5 or 3.9. I have changed out socketed DIP type switches like this before, so, it didn't seem to be much of a challenge to do. I gently removed them with a chip puller, and then proceeded to put the Cloanto 3.X ROMS into the proper sockets. I bought these roms from Vesalia.de. I put them into the Amiga, and then rebooted. I got a yellow screen, and, this quickly went away, and the amiga was silent. I plugged everything back in (daughter board, floppy, scsi hd) that I had removed, and still nothing. So, I pulled the 3.X roms and put my old ones back in to the proper orientation, but, the Amiga still will not boot. I put the one marked ROM0V5 in the ROM0 slot, and ROM1V5 into the ROM 1 slot. I put the chip into the proper orientation from what I can tell (the originals didn't have the little notch on them that you line up with the DIP socket's notch, but, the 3.X roms did). The originals had a DOT on the top of the chip, which I oriented towards the notch on the socket. What did I do wrong?

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17 June 2016, 06:38	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Did you have the Zorro daughterboard in when you tried to start the A3000 with the 1.4 ROMs? It will not boot without it.

17 June 2016, 07:41	#4
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	are they in a ROM tower? Does your 3000 have two sets of ROMs for kickstart?

17 June 2016, 08:30	#6
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	Here is a picture of how the area looks:

17 June 2016, 09:01	#7
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	In a ROM tower A3000 the chips are so that ROM1V5 is in U180 and ROM0V5 is in U181. You could try swapping them around. http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/d...0_romtower.jpg

17 June 2016, 09:01	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Should you get it working again with the original ROMS but not the new ones I can provide files to go on your hard drive so you can use OS3.9

17 June 2016, 09:45	#10
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	Aren't 3.X ROMs mainly for using 3.1 with enhancements? 3.9 is made to run on 3.1 ROMs, though I'm sure it can be made to work with suitable fiddling and disabling of modules.

17 June 2016, 10:26	#13
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	Floppy problems have been reported with the 3.X ROMs before. See this thread for example. I would suggest 3.1 ROMs would be a better way to go if you're looking to run OS 3.9. The 3.X ROMs appear to be a half-baked effort primarily intended for emulation purposes. Also, if you're getting a blank Workbench screen, it might be a missing workbench.library file. This was present in the old ROMs (except for the A4000T ones) but was removed from 3.X for all models to make space for other improvements, and must be put in LIBS: on the boot drive instead for Workbench to work.

17 June 2016, 13:36	#14
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	Don't get 3.x ROMs if you want to boot from floppy. This should be pointed out by any reseller of Cloanto ROMs, so that the community doesn't have to act as Cloanto's unpaid support department.

17 June 2016, 13:41	#15
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	You need to copy workbench.library to libs: from an A4000T workbench disk first, then you will be able to load WB with the 3.x ROMs. I've also seen the reports about drives not working, not sure what's going on there - I have not purchased a 3.x ROM set for any of my machines..

17 June 2016, 17:18	#16
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	Ordered 3.1 ROMs. I am going to see if Vesalia will take these back, being that they don't work. Provided shipping isn't ridiculous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

31 July 2018, 09:46	#17
barryn Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 6	PM me if you haven't gotten this working yet. I can tell you how to softload 3.1 from hard disk or floppy.

10 August 2018, 05:42	#18
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	The 3000 is plugging along...thanks for asking. But, I am very tempted to put the 1.4 ROMS back in to get a dual or triple boot option (if possible) for wb 1.3, 3.1, and 3.9. What would I need to do that?

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