why no amiga x 1000 demos ???

turrican3 · 27 February 2013, 08:13

when i saw the amiga x 1000 i said to myself: yes the amiga x 1000 will strike the demo partys... but nothing !!!!!!
demomakers, could you tell me why ????

s2325 · 27 February 2013, 08:17

You can find Amiga PPC demos here http://pouet.net/prodlist.php

britelite · 28 February 2013, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

when i saw the amiga x 1000 i said to myself: yes the amiga x 1000 will strike the demo partys... but nothing !!!!!!
demomakers, could you tell me why ????

Because the machine is way overpriced and hence no demomaker actually owns one. And it's not a very interesting demoplatform either.

AmigaFriend · 28 February 2013, 10:52

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Originally Posted by britelite

Because the machine is way overpriced and hence no demomaker actually owns one. And it's not a very interesting demoplatform either.

I was going to answer this but britelite was faster.

Amiga1992 · 28 February 2013, 14:34

What Britelite say.

DDNI · 28 February 2013, 15:09

Most coders on PPC NG Amigas, particularly those with X1000, don't have time for demos.
There are the somewhat more pressing things such as drivers and productivity programs to prepare first.

We have to remember that when the classic Amiga was 2 years old there was a multi national company and a global customer base pushing developers forward.
Today on the 2 year old X1000, there is a small number of hobby developers and an even smaller number of professionals pushing things on.

This tiny group of people are making steady progress and should be commended for that.

britelite · 28 February 2013, 15:20

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Originally Posted by DDNI

Most coders on PPC NG Amigas, particularly those with X1000, don't have time for demos.
There are the somewhat more pressing things such as drivers and productivity programs to prepare first.

Indeed, but these guys are rarely (on any platform) the same as the ones making demos.

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Today on the 2 year old X1000, there is a small number of hobby developers and an even smaller number of professionals pushing things on.

So, you are saying it hasn't managed to attract people who just want to create stuff for the fun of it?

turrican3 · 10 March 2013, 03:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by britelite

Because the machine is way overpriced and hence no demomaker actually owns one. And it's not a very interesting demoplatform either.

why is it not an interesting demoplatform ????
i think it could be great for the amiga x 1000 to have forst place to a demo party ????
the shoul give an amiga x 1000 to the best amiga demomaker.
strike a first place to a demo party is a good and free publicity, no ???

Amiga1992 · 10 March 2013, 05:50

What for? You're raving.

britelite · 10 March 2013, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

why is it not an interesting demoplatform ????

There's no special hardware to utilize, and if you're making an AmigaOS4 demo, it's not wise to limit it to the x1000.

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i think it could be great for the amiga x 1000 to have forst place to a demo party ????

Well, it couldn't compete in the regular Amiga-compo at any party (PPC is usually not allowed). And it wouldn't stand a chance against modern PC-demos.

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the shoul give an amiga x 1000 to the best amiga demomaker.

Who should?

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strike a first place to a demo party is a good and free publicity, no ???

Why don't you start making a demo for it then?

DDNI · 10 March 2013, 23:30

Why not face it, a reasonable number of x1000 have been sold. Very few (if any) sceners have bought them. Most scene parties exclude PPC.
Demos are way down the list of most OS4 users.

britelite · 11 March 2013, 14:11

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Originally Posted by DDNI

Why not face it, a reasonable number of x1000 have been sold.

I'm guessing our definitions of "a reasonable number" is differ quite a bit

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Demos are way down the list of most OS4 users.

And OS4 (and other Amiga-clones) are way down the list for most sceners

TCD · 11 March 2013, 15:00

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Originally Posted by DDNI

Why not face it, a reasonable number of x1000 have been sold.

Anybody has a number? 50? 100? 200? More?

DDNI · 11 March 2013, 16:08

Three batches sold of between 100 - 300 per batch. So 300 to 900 total.

TCD · 11 March 2013, 16:19

The Rapsberry Pi has sold somewhere around a million units and 12 productions are listed on Pouet: http://pouet.net/prodlist.php?platfo...&page=1&order=
Might give an idea what britelite hints at

T_hairy_bootson · 12 March 2013, 00:00

fishyfish · 13 March 2013, 05:22

As suggested its just not a very appealing platform for demo coders. Too weak a cpu and poor 3d acceleration would make it stand out vs other platforms it'd be up against, but not in a good way.

klx300r · 13 March 2013, 06:04

demos are cool on my A1000 and A1200 because they push the limits of the classic hardware but there's no appeal for me to see one on my X1000 really except for testing out a new hardware acceleration driver perhaps

fishyfish · 13 March 2013, 11:58

Yeah I agree. With older hardware it's fun to see what programmers squeeze out of a system, but with something like the X1000 it's going to be using the same sort of things as other platforms, and be seriously outclassed in them. Maybe some time down the road it'll be in a better position to make demos that people other than x1000 owners find interesting.

p.s. this is of course generalizing, Im sure there's people out there making cool demos for all sorts of obscure systems.

kamelito · 13 March 2013, 12:58

Batman forever on the amstrad show that a good demo is not all about technical stuff.
To me a demo should express something, tell a story to be good not pushing zillions of polygons to won the 1st place.
Kamelito

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27 February 2013, 08:17	#2
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	You can find Amiga PPC demos here http://pouet.net/prodlist.php

28 February 2013, 14:34	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	What Britelite say.

28 February 2013, 15:09	#6
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Most coders on PPC NG Amigas, particularly those with X1000, don't have time for demos. There are the somewhat more pressing things such as drivers and productivity programs to prepare first. We have to remember that when the classic Amiga was 2 years old there was a multi national company and a global customer base pushing developers forward. Today on the 2 year old X1000, there is a small number of hobby developers and an even smaller number of professionals pushing things on. This tiny group of people are making steady progress and should be commended for that.

10 March 2013, 05:50	#9
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	What for? You're raving.

10 March 2013, 23:30	#11
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Why not face it, a reasonable number of x1000 have been sold. Very few (if any) sceners have bought them. Most scene parties exclude PPC. Demos are way down the list of most OS4 users.

11 March 2013, 16:08	#14
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Three batches sold of between 100 - 300 per batch. So 300 to 900 total.

11 March 2013, 16:19	#15
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	The Rapsberry Pi has sold somewhere around a million units and 12 productions are listed on Pouet: http://pouet.net/prodlist.php?platfo...&page=1&order= Might give an idea what britelite hints at

12 March 2013, 00:00	#16
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084

13 March 2013, 05:22	#17
fishyfish Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 475	As suggested its just not a very appealing platform for demo coders. Too weak a cpu and poor 3d acceleration would make it stand out vs other platforms it'd be up against, but not in a good way.

13 March 2013, 06:04	#18
klx300r Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,593	demos are cool on my A1000 and A1200 because they push the limits of the classic hardware but there's no appeal for me to see one on my X1000 really except for testing out a new hardware acceleration driver perhaps

13 March 2013, 11:58	#19
fishyfish Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 475	Yeah I agree. With older hardware it's fun to see what programmers squeeze out of a system, but with something like the X1000 it's going to be using the same sort of things as other platforms, and be seriously outclassed in them. Maybe some time down the road it'll be in a better position to make demos that people other than x1000 owners find interesting. p.s. this is of course generalizing, Im sure there's people out there making cool demos for all sorts of obscure systems.

13 March 2013, 12:58	#20
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	Batman forever on the amstrad show that a good demo is not all about technical stuff. To me a demo should express something, tell a story to be good not pushing zillions of polygons to won the 1st place. Kamelito

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