31 May 2006, 22:10 | #21 | |
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i disgusted this term with cebulba days ago (btw: among others, i found this JET excample. while putting the game on my museum-site, i was wondering of this 'comen as mud' rating at hol. 'cause as an hardcore-collector i 've never seen this game in years but getting straight to my point of view: i think this two star rating at hol has an quite confusing term : 'One version is common, at least one other version is rare' hmmm... i've often think about it, when i have a game at hand that exist in one version only, worldwide. so it is common, or is it rare ? you see ! Last edited by Paul; 11 October 2006 at 11:58. Reason: deleted direct signature |
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31 May 2006, 22:23 | #22 |
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i have to react here. while i like the rating system, the main reverse backside of the medal is that some dishonesty sellers just SELL afterwards the game WAY WAY more
expensive that they are RATED. As a result some rare games which are elected to be preserved by caps can't be bought to fulfill this, as buyers just can't pay the FEE-PRICE applied. And by experience collectors just buy out games, AND DON'T HELP PRESERVATION. See the point ? We have in France Biggest collectors of europe. i don't talk about guys like me who owns 700+ (counting 220 games SEALED) games up to those having 3500+ games, but people which have a lot more, like 7000-7500+ games ! These ones owns many 3/4 stars games rated by HOL which others under just doesn't have. Unfortunately collecting takes them so much time they just can't preserve ! And they stop others to preserve as we have the time but not the money LMAO ^^. Also, there is thing for which collectors are not good to because they have their own relations and way-to-get-the-games. some people says yes i have won the game X for 45 euros shipping included. and then i answer ok pal, i got the game SEALED for 5 euros the box, and the seller has the game in 300 units alone. guess the guy's reaction. he tought having the game for a correct price thinking it's rare, as it's not really ! what do you think about my statement ? |
02 June 2006, 17:36 | #23 |
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I like the rating system. And for sure there is a differce between
wanted and rare games. The best way to rate is ideed to watch the market.And count how often they appear. It is dubios that Hacker isn´t rated as extremely rare.Same for Crystal Hammer (even if cebulba has two of it) Last edited by NOB; 02 June 2006 at 19:16. |
02 June 2006, 19:07 | #24 |
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I only rate if I'm sure about their frequency on ebay! HONESTLY.
And no, I would not give "Millen(n)ium" a 4-stars rating either Also thanks must go to dlfrsilver who has already pointed me to some very rare games, and also requested ratings to be changed. (sometimes from 4 stars back to 3) "Extremely rare" could, however, very SAFELY be put on almost the whole Spain-only and Italy-only releases! They're "very rare by design", as only sold in SPA/ITA. French games might also have been sold in Canada, where people have French as *first* language very often. This *must not* be compared to German releases, which were usually also put out in Switzerland and Austria, let alone Luxembourg and Belgium maybe, the latter of which does contain an officially approved German minority (Eupen region). If the region is not TOO rural, German games may have been sold there too. |
02 June 2006, 21:05 | #25 |
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and for instance even the spanish developpers exemple dinamic have stated they didn't
have anymore the master disk of their games. AND more important, spanish games were sold in FEW HUNDRED copies only. hence why they are very rare !!! |
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The original release of Crystal Hammer is hard to get hold of outside Germany, but the compilation versions aren't.....hence the 3 star rating. Hope that gives some insight into those ratings! |
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02 June 2006, 21:25 | #27 |
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I tend to disagree for Hacker. Reasonably easy? Not anymore - as the game is from 1985! A boxed copy is almost as rare as "One-on-one" retail boxed.
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02 June 2006, 21:34 | #28 |
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hacker appears in many compilations.
A game is RARE mainly because it's HARD to get it. Hacker is not ! |
02 June 2006, 23:04 | #29 | |
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BTW One on One, like Hacker, isn't all that rare in the U.S. either.....boxed or unboxed. Just have to know where to look or be a bit patient for a copy to pop up on U.S. Ebay that is available to worldwide bidders. You have to consider that Ebay blocks out auctions to overseas bidders if the seller doesn't want to sell to your country. The only way to see these auctions is to search the parent Ebay site of such auctions (e.g. U.S. seller only wants to sell to North America -> auction won't show up on Ebay.fr, Ebay.au, Ebay.de etc., so you will have to go to Ebay.com to see such auctions). Last edited by DrBong; 04 June 2006 at 18:15. |
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03 June 2006, 00:22 | #30 |
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i will take a look on some games, quite known and say to my point if rare or not.
edit : - example : demons ans drivers is not rare, i have seen it at least 4 times this year on ebay if not even more. the french retail version of Prince de Perse is extremmely rare. I only know 2 people who own it on amiga : Me and Thierry Levastre ^^. the compil version is quite easy to find. Othello Killer on amiga is 4 stars, like his ST counterpart. again a game almost impossible to find. the Shortgrey too, only seen this game 1 time on ebay in 3-4 years. Time from empire in french is 4 stars. seen this game 2 times on ebay in 3-4 years too. Never thought to have it without the help of my collector's friend ^^. Super C is also 4 stars. never seen this games on ebay since i run on it. Twinworld is 3 stars at least. only seen it 3 times in 3-4 years on ebay. Last edited by dlfrsilver; 03 June 2006 at 00:47. |
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Hopefully they are blocking only the auctions from people who are not selling/shipping to foreign countries??? Edit: i tried it with ebay.de and ebay.fr. Ebay.de shows me only auctions from France that have been marked for European/world-wide shipping. The ones that are not listed are auctions of stuff only shipped within France by choice of the auction-holder. Last edited by Adderly; 03 June 2006 at 19:49. |
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03 June 2006, 14:59 | #32 |
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FĀ§&K!
I did not know this! Thanks DrBong! I didn't think Ebay had any *reason* to block these auctions. The guys would sell original stuff, no ADF "w4r3z" cds, wouldn't they? Nothing politically problematic either (World War II memorabilia etc.), so what the fuss? @dlfrsilver: thanks! Lemme fix some ratings then... [edit] awww...who put ADVERTS in Super C's boxscans section? Last edited by andreas; 03 June 2006 at 15:05. |
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is extremely rare.It was sold 1990 at the "best" Amiga years. Is there a story behind this rarity? Or was it simply the "wrong" publisher.I have seen that game only once at ebay. (IIRC) |
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At the end of the day, I can't really tell you for sure as I haven't come across much on Electrocoin in my computer mags and didn't really find out too much doing a Google search. I've just made a few educated guesses based on why other Amiga games never made it on to the shelves in any great quantity. Last edited by DrBong; 04 June 2006 at 19:01. |
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Interesting aspects! I will dig out the review in the german
Amiga Joker mag and see how they rated it. |
13 August 2006, 11:23 | #36 |
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Space Ranger http://hol.abime.net/2035 is easy to pick up
in the UK.(?) The 3 star rating seems to be overrated. http://www.ukretro.co.uk/cpstorefron...?idCategory=12 |
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agree - changed
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taken from klov.com
Perhaps you might consider adding such a message in the FAQ to the rarity guide...
Or introduce a "who owns what" like in klov.com quote: Rarity is NOT necessarily an indication of value. Some common games show up as very rare here because collectors don't want them (they are common because arcade operatos might be sitting on tons of them in warehouses), while some fairly scarce games are grabbed by collectors every time they show up. Additionally, some games made in the last 5 years are still making money for operators and are thus not yet affordable to the typical collector. For a clue to value, compare how many people have this game vs. how many people want this game and then click on the eBay links to help determine an accurate price range. |
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