The ATARI ST was great because....

[_ThEcRoW]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Yes the C64 was the more advanced and complex 8 bits machine.

Have you ever seen an msx machine in action? It definitely beats the c64 in graphics and sound(with the fm-pac cartridge).

[petza]

Originally Posted by _ThEcRoW

Have you ever seen an msx machine in action? It definitely beats the c64 in graphics and sound(with the fm-pac cartridge).

whats an msx

[Adropac2]

I always wanted an Msx all the time i had my C64.A few years ago i downloaded an emulator and a ton of software.I'm very glad i didn't own an Msx after all as apart from the slight improvement from the Msx 2 it seems , scrolling was quite awfull.It did at least have nice resolution and sprite movement but sound wasn't great either though again Msx 2 may have improved things here a little.I first saw an Msx in Dixons in the early eighties but i think this computer was mostly successfull in Japan.It wasnt a very warm machine in terms of atmosphere and had mostly Japanese games in comparison to other 8bits.

But i guess it's what you grow up with isn't it as i would probably be saying differently had i owned one.

Arctic Adventure (i think that's what it's called.Penguin) is a lot of fun and the very game i saw in Dixons.I was very jealous at the time because the graphics were sharper than the C64 and the 3d movement was very impressive back then.

[whiteb]

Originally Posted by Parsec

here you go mate:



Actually that might be a bit more than 1/3?

But thats not the fault of the ST.. thats the game designers incompetance.

[dlfrsilver]

nopeee.... lack of custom chips.... no hardware to equal the coin-op....

[petza]

Originally Posted by whiteb

But thats not the fault of the ST.. thats the game designers incompetance.

yeah most games dont have those bars down the screen every version of that game has bars

[Ironclaw]

Hate me, I don't care... but I think ATARI SUCKS AND AMIGA RULES - end of story XD :P

[NOB]

Sound: Amiga first, ST second.
Graphics: Amiga first, ST second.
OS: Amiga first, ST second
hitting a burglar:ST first, Amiga second.
3:1 !

[DamienD]

ROFL

Absolutely classic summation NOB

... my stomach is still hurting from laughter. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

[Parsec]

Originally Posted by whiteb

But thats not the fault of the ST.. thats the game designers incompetance.

Have to disagree with you there. The Amiga version was full screen AND was overscanned off the sides of the TV screen.

The ST version had a huge score area because it can't cope properly with bidirectional scrolling on the whole screen.

The difference between the two games is down to the Amiga's custom graphics chips.

Originally Posted by nob

hitting a burglar:ST first, Amiga second.

Reminds me of something my dead old Grandad used to say when holding the door open for a woman - "Ladies first, except in the event of fire"

[SilentBob]

I remember seeing an old video where Tramiel and his son were on a TV show promoting the ST. The ST was at the time in prototype form, they had one on the show powered up, but they couldn't actually run any stuff on it, as it would most likely crash miserably, lol. All they did was move the pointer around and open a coupla windows in the OS. Anyway, they were touting it to be as advanced as the Amiga, and having four "custom chips", although they never specified what these were. Obviously, the "custom chips" were not as custom as they'd have you think, as the ST used mostly off-the-shelf components. Technically, the ST was lightyears behind the Amiga, but often a computer can become successful on its software base alone. Just look at the PC.

[Parsec]

That was pretty much how he ran Commodore too, suddenly six months before a big show he'd tell his engineers a new computer was needed. They'd work day and night to deliver it, and it would be nearly ready by the time of the show, but they would have to be very careful about what they demoed!

This doesn't include the Amiga of course which was brought in after Tramiel left.

[petza]

Originally Posted by petza

yeah most games dont have those bars down the screen every version of that game has bars

hi m8 hows your moonstone remake going ?

[DamienD]

petza, are you asking yourself that question or is it supposed to be directed to Ironclaw?

[Mungo]

Originally Posted by dir_marillion

it had great databases since the first day.

I always used to curse not having a decent database on my Amiga. It really used to piss me off that I had to play games like Turrican and watch really cool demos by talented people, like Photon for example (Hi Henrik - it's been a while), when all I really wanted to do was issue a list of nice, dull SELECT and INSERT statements.

Jesus God, man. That's like saying that a Citroen is better than a Ferrari because it has more space in the trunk.

[Mungo]

Originally Posted by Total Eclipse

An unexpanded A500 can play back a mod file using less than 5% of it's CPU (probably more like 2-3%).

Sinbad coded us a mod player routine that used a grand total of two raster lines. You couldn't use the code with anything else mind you, but the thought was there.

[AGN]

Killing Game Show - play first level on amiga.
[ Show youtube player ] is Atari ST version.

Your task is to find differences in:
- music
- lava mirror effect

[dlfrsilver]

both are horrible on ST. i'll stay with miggy version.....

[caffeinekid]

OIDS... woooooooooo

[s2325]

It's Sega Mega Drive version, not Atari ST.