Warning! Windows 10 Users.

ma693541 · 21 January 2018, 16:24

Today I let my PC install the Feature Updates for Windows 10 version 1709 and discovered that it have an auto shut off function for incompatible programs and games. No matter how and what you do, GameBase 1.3 will be permanently shut off and maybe other of your old favourite programs or games will follow. You can't even get it to run in Compability Mode or other ways. This have to be fixed by the developers of GameBase if they still work on it for the PC.

I have found a solution to my problem with GameBase 1.3 today. Install this file on top of your GameBase 1.3, gamebase-setup-v1.3-update.exe. You will find it in the Download section.
All your data will not be changed after this install. Problem solved.

honx · 21 January 2018, 18:25

it's a matter of common knowledge that this dreaded windows 10 breaks almost everything...

Toni Wilen · 21 January 2018, 18:31

It does? I must have missed it completely.

Retro-Nerd · 21 January 2018, 19:32

But there is indeed something annoying about the latest 2 cumulative updates (with the CPU security fixes included). After that my PC runs like crap, everything is jerky/choppy. Once i've reinstalled my ATI drivers all emulators, games and videos are smooth again. There was always a performance loss of 1-2 frames after the MS updates.

AmigaRob · 21 January 2018, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx

it's a matter of common knowledge that this dreaded windows 10 breaks almost everything...

It is only because Toni Wilen deduced it from a bug report I made today that I now know that my Windows 10 build has never updated from the original release which was installed over two years ago. That is in spite of it continually wanting to switch my machine off for updates, for example when 8 odd hours into a Vegas video render.

Toni Wilen · 21 January 2018, 20:59

Drivers getting reverted to some basic version can be normal if Windows decides current drivers are not compatible (better than crash at boot!)

"Nothing working" is something that is reported by very vocal minority as usual. No one bothers to say anything if everything works fine.

If you read some HW forums, you would think nothing would work at all, all nvidia drivers suck, all ati/amd drivers suck, windows suck, PCs suck. It seems whole world 100% suck and they still manage to post. I don't think that can be true, at least 100% true

SnkBitten · 21 January 2018, 21:13

My Windows 10 (1709) still runs everything fine. WinUAE still works just as well (my emulated systems still report the same in speed test), Lightwave 2018 still renders as fast as it did previously. I've been very pleased with Windows 10.

malko · 21 January 2018, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Drivers getting reverted to some basic version can be normal if Windows decides current drivers are not compatible (better than crash at boot!)

Better a basic driver than a BSOTD, agree BUT not all users are novice or dumb. So letting the user know something will be turned off before applying an update is a sort of respect some SW/HW manufacturers seems to miss

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It's up to the user to choose which applications he wants to run on his computer (not MS/etc. choice)

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User experience ? Good marketing stuff !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

If you read some HW forums, you would think nothing would work at all, all nvidia drivers suck, all ati/amd drivers suck, windows suck, PCs suck. It seems whole world 100% suck and they still manage to post. I don't think that can be true, at least 100% true

You are damn right !

jmmijo · 21 January 2018, 22:15

Well I'm currently updating my VM I use for Work purposes and so far nothing out of the ordinary.

The HOST machine is also running Windows 10 Pro with an AMD FX-8350 CPU and 32GB of RAM.

I dedicate 4 CPU cores + 8GB of RAM to my VM and it runs great.

Using VMware Player v12.xx

Really thinking I will upgrade to the VMware Workstation app as it has some features that would come in handy for me.

Ian · 21 January 2018, 22:16

I find it hard to believe anyone runs updates anyway.

Clean install and quit that whining.

As I run the insider preview I usually do it 2-4 times a month and rarely have problems even running the preview.

jotd · 21 January 2018, 22:40

Windows is not as well designed as Linux, but the best program on Windows that Linux doesn't have is ... Winuae

BarryB · 21 January 2018, 22:58

services.msc > Windows Updates > Startup type: Disabled > OK

DamienD · 21 January 2018, 23:11

I have to use Windows 10 at work and am in the middle of a 1.5 year office rollout to 1200 people...

Yeah, it's fine for me doing business things...

...but, will I upgrade my 2 x Windows 7 *emulator* heavy laptops though; no chance!!!

Well, not in the next few years anyway.

ma693541 · 22 January 2018, 08:14

Well, my bank advice me to have Windows 10 updated for my day to day work on my own bank account. So the rule is; if you use your Windows PC for banking or other important stuff, keep it updated at all time.

chip · 22 January 2018, 08:18

I'm using Windows 7 to run WinUAE
So, what's the suggest for WinUAE emulation ..... never update to Windows 10 ?

phx · 22 January 2018, 08:32

That's a general advice, if you care for your privatesphere.

Better would be no Microsoft/Apple/Google products at all, but if you need Windows, then run 7 as long as possible...

Toni Wilen · 22 January 2018, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip

I'm using Windows 7 to run WinUAE
So, what's the suggest for WinUAE emulation ..... never update to Windows 10 ?

Obviously version I use

Don't make Windows 7 2020s Windows XP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryB

services.msc > Windows Updates > Startup type: Disabled > OK

Just no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

I find it hard to believe anyone runs updates anyway.

Clean install and quit that whining.

As I run the insider preview I usually do it 2-4 times a month and rarely have problems even running the preview.

I have used fast ring insider previews since they started and i think I have only done 1 or 2 reinstalls

Nothing interesting has happened, updates have worked fine.

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Main reason for problems is bad hardware and/or bad drivers and bad PSU. Later Windows versions don't like drivers that do bad things that may have accidentally worked in previous versions. (Especially anti virus programs like doing this..)

One "real" problem with later Windows 10 updates is weird fullscreen D3D9 behavior in some situations (I think it happens if "plain" D3D9 is used, not D3D9Ex because I haven't noticed it affecting WinUAE which uses D3D9Ex) where Windows opens borderless fullscreen mode and makes program to think it is using real fullscreen. This is not always very optimal..

Retroplay · 22 January 2018, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryB

services.msc > Windows Updates > Startup type: Disabled > OK

Exactly, just use WSUS Offline Updater, but I'm no masochist with desires of constant battling my system so I'm good with a 7/Linux combo.

Sinphaltimus · 22 January 2018, 14:30

Windows 98se, Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows 7 SP1, Windows 10, all my favorite versions of the Microsoft OSes. There are issues that arise with Windows 10 every so often but nothing that I haven't been able to resolve. I love it, I think Bravo M$ for the work and continued work to make it better.

In regards to updates messing with preinstalled software, the only time anything like that has happened is occasionally, for whatever reason, a piece of software (Like UNITY or Particle Illusion) will think you have the software installed on a different machine and ask to be reactivated. Which so far, has not caused any major issues outside of (in the case of particle illusion) contacting the publisher and getting authorized for reactivating.

The biggest issue I ever had with Windows 10 is my Start Menu stopped working. Both instances were due to DropBox. Uninstalling DropBox fixing then reinstalling dropbox fixed it the first time, the second time it happened was because DropBox freaked out over the fact that I windows shared my local DropBox folder on my LAN- for some reason that messed up the sync and caused my Start Menu to stop working again. Removed the share properties and everything returned to normal.

I've been a Windows PC user since the day I sold off all my original Amiga gear and purchased my first 486DX266 Desktop with WFW 3.1 - I hated it compared to WB3.1, tough pill to swallow.... yet here I am some 27 years later, back on the Amiga. And Windows, And Linux.... OSes are tools and we fill our toolboxes with what we need for when we need it. Some are better than others for certain things, there is no ONE OS to rule them all. They are just tools...... If you hate windows 10 because it sucks and breaks everything, then don't use it. Whatever you use should bring you some level of happiness unless you're forced against your will to do it; And if that's the case, it might be time to rethink some life choices.

ma693541 · 22 January 2018, 14:38

I don't hate Windows 10. I like Linux Mint and I love all of the Amiga OSes.

21 January 2018, 16:24	#1
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	Warning! Windows 10 Users. Today I let my PC install the Feature Updates for Windows 10 version 1709 and discovered that it have an auto shut off function for incompatible programs and games. No matter how and what you do, GameBase 1.3 will be permanently shut off and maybe other of your old favourite programs or games will follow. You can't even get it to run in Compability Mode or other ways. This have to be fixed by the developers of GameBase if they still work on it for the PC. I have found a solution to my problem with GameBase 1.3 today. Install this file on top of your GameBase 1.3, gamebase-setup-v1.3-update.exe. You will find it in the Download section. All your data will not be changed after this install. Problem solved. Last edited by ma693541; 24 January 2018 at 14:03. Reason: Solution Found.

21 January 2018, 19:32	#4
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	But there is indeed something annoying about the latest 2 cumulative updates (with the CPU security fixes included). After that my PC runs like crap, everything is jerky/choppy. Once i've reinstalled my ATI drivers all emulators, games and videos are smooth again. There was always a performance loss of 1-2 frames after the MS updates. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 21 January 2018 at 21:38.

22 January 2018, 08:14	#14
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	Well, my bank advice me to have Windows 10 updated for my day to day work on my own bank account. So the rule is; if you use your Windows PC for banking or other important stuff, keep it updated at all time. Last edited by ma693541; 22 January 2018 at 08:18. Reason: More info.

22 January 2018, 14:30	#19
Sinphaltimus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cresco, PA, USA Age: 53 Posts: 1,126	Windows 98se, Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows 7 SP1, Windows 10, all my favorite versions of the Microsoft OSes. There are issues that arise with Windows 10 every so often but nothing that I haven't been able to resolve. I love it, I think Bravo M$ for the work and continued work to make it better. In regards to updates messing with preinstalled software, the only time anything like that has happened is occasionally, for whatever reason, a piece of software (Like UNITY or Particle Illusion) will think you have the software installed on a different machine and ask to be reactivated. Which so far, has not caused any major issues outside of (in the case of particle illusion) contacting the publisher and getting authorized for reactivating. The biggest issue I ever had with Windows 10 is my Start Menu stopped working. Both instances were due to DropBox. Uninstalling DropBox fixing then reinstalling dropbox fixed it the first time, the second time it happened was because DropBox freaked out over the fact that I windows shared my local DropBox folder on my LAN- for some reason that messed up the sync and caused my Start Menu to stop working again. Removed the share properties and everything returned to normal. I've been a Windows PC user since the day I sold off all my original Amiga gear and purchased my first 486DX266 Desktop with WFW 3.1 - I hated it compared to WB3.1, tough pill to swallow.... yet here I am some 27 years later, back on the Amiga. And Windows, And Linux.... OSes are tools and we fill our toolboxes with what we need for when we need it. Some are better than others for certain things, there is no ONE OS to rule them all. They are just tools...... If you hate windows 10 because it sucks and breaks everything, then don't use it. Whatever you use should bring you some level of happiness unless you're forced against your will to do it; And if that's the case, it might be time to rethink some life choices. Last edited by Sinphaltimus; 22 January 2018 at 14:34. Reason: Fixed some typos

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21 January 2018, 18:25	#2
honx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Klagenfurt / Austria Posts: 1,569	it's a matter of common knowledge that this dreaded windows 10 breaks almost everything...

21 January 2018, 18:31	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,507	It does? I must have missed it completely.

21 January 2018, 20:59	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,507	Drivers getting reverted to some basic version can be normal if Windows decides current drivers are not compatible (better than crash at boot!) "Nothing working" is something that is reported by very vocal minority as usual. No one bothers to say anything if everything works fine. If you read some HW forums, you would think nothing would work at all, all nvidia drivers suck, all ati/amd drivers suck, windows suck, PCs suck. It seems whole world 100% suck and they still manage to post. I don't think that can be true, at least 100% true

21 January 2018, 21:13	#7
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781	My Windows 10 (1709) still runs everything fine. WinUAE still works just as well (my emulated systems still report the same in speed test), Lightwave 2018 still renders as fast as it did previously. I've been very pleased with Windows 10.

21 January 2018, 22:15	#9
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,395	Well I'm currently updating my VM I use for Work purposes and so far nothing out of the ordinary. The HOST machine is also running Windows 10 Pro with an AMD FX-8350 CPU and 32GB of RAM. I dedicate 4 CPU cores + 8GB of RAM to my VM and it runs great. Using VMware Player v12.xx Really thinking I will upgrade to the VMware Workstation app as it has some features that would come in handy for me.

21 January 2018, 22:16	#10
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	I find it hard to believe anyone runs updates anyway. Clean install and quit that whining. As I run the insider preview I usually do it 2-4 times a month and rarely have problems even running the preview.

21 January 2018, 22:40	#11
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,173	Windows is not as well designed as Linux, but the best program on Windows that Linux doesn't have is ... Winuae

21 January 2018, 22:58	#12
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,678	services.msc > Windows Updates > Startup type: Disabled > OK

21 January 2018, 23:11	#13
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I have to use Windows 10 at work and am in the middle of a 1.5 year office rollout to 1200 people... Yeah, it's fine for me doing business things... ...but, will I upgrade my 2 x Windows 7 emulator heavy laptops though; no chance!!! Well, not in the next few years anyway.

22 January 2018, 08:18	#15
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,942	I'm using Windows 7 to run WinUAE So, what's the suggest for WinUAE emulation ..... never update to Windows 10 ?

22 January 2018, 08:32	#16
phx Natteravn Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Herford / Germany Posts: 2,496	That's a general advice, if you care for your privatesphere. Better would be no Microsoft/Apple/Google products at all, but if you need Windows, then run 7 as long as possible...

22 January 2018, 14:38	#20
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	I don't hate Windows 10. I like Linux Mint and I love all of the Amiga OSes.

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