Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition

[mcgeezer]

Today I got myself stuck back into some coding and what I'm really pleased with is that I have just about managed to get the Disk Armour working which is a big part of the game.

The way I've coded it is quite nice too as it supports all the weapons upgrades when I come around to coding them.

I do have a small graphical glitch bug and it needs some positional work but it's just about there now.

Great to be back coding after being away for a month.

Here's Damien's fix!

http://109.228.4.199/rygar15.avi

and a crappy Youtube version.

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Enjoy.

Geezer

[DamienD]

Nice

...thanks for the "fix" my friend; I feel relieved now

One thing; and I'm totally aware that the arcade behaviour is the same as in your video... but it would be cool if when the weapon is spinning above your head you could see the "chain" attached.

Not sure how easy this would be to implement though (and there probably aren't sprites available from the arcade version); so not worth the trouble... just thinking aloud...

[dlfrsilver]

oh god it looks so nice !!!

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by DamienD

Nice

Not sure how easy this would be to implement though (and there probably aren't sprites available from the arcade version); so not worth the trouble... just thinking aloud...

Painfull because of this exact reason, i could do it easily if i had the sprite assets.

[DamienD]

All good, just thought I'd ask

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Painfull because of this exact reason, i could do it easily if i had the sprite assets.

you have them, i have sorted all the arcade sprites. I gave them with the backgrounds tiles

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

you have them, i have sorted all the arcade sprites. I gave them with the backgrounds tiles

No i dont have the extra assets that would be required that damien is talking about.

Someone would need to draw them, and it defo aint me (because i know my limitations).

[van_dammesque]

I'd be happy to be a playtester. I am a Rygar arcade veteran!
Could help with secret tombstone positions etc...

Have you thought about the monkey stacks from level 2 onwards?

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by van_dammesque

I'd be happy to be a playtester. I am a Rygar arcade veteran!
Could help with secret tombstone positions etc...

Have you thought about the monkey stacks from level 2 onwards?

Included this secret bonus:
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[saimon69]

@Don Adan
Soundtrack covers it so far

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by van_dammesque

I'd be happy to be a playtester. I am a Rygar arcade veteran!
Could help with secret tombstone positions etc...

Have you thought about the monkey stacks from level 2 onwards?

Sure, they don't bother me at all.

Plenty of the other enemies do though as they'll be very tricky to get right while keeping it at 50hz.

Why the F**K Commodore didn't upgrade the blitter in the 1200 is beyond me.... even a few more sprites wouldn't have hurt.

The games we could of had if the hardware was more flexible like giving up 8 64x sprites for 16 32x sprites - it would have made a massive difference.

[van_dammesque]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Sure, they don't bother me at all.

Plenty of the other enemies do though as they'll be very tricky to get right while keeping it at 50hz.

Why the F**K Commodore didn't upgrade the blitter in the 1200 is beyond me.... even a few more sprites wouldn't have hurt.

The games we could of had if the hardware was more flexible like giving up 8 64x sprites for 16 32x sprites - it would have made a massive difference.

Which ones? Big Rhino (horiz) or the bosses (vertical)? I imagine that level 13 would be tough, no not the parchment 1 mill bonus, the riding big rhinos multiples of them!



I am also interested in the gameplay aspect: the delicate twitch of the vertical (power up no.5) and long range (power up no.1) to extend vertical hits, have you thought about it yet?



Also I always was disappointed with AGA as it seems it was only a colour increase over every other specs.


EDIT: Sorry to be pedantic, but I am sure you will appreciate this, which arcade version will you mimic? Apparently the Japanese version has more stars, where the US version has more bonuses and explosions. This info is via MAME.

EDIT 2: Do you have a strategy for the "Ribena man", the big ghoul after time out? Some conversions have him going straight but I have seen an arcade clip where he can be dodged almost indefinitely. IMO it would be good if this exploit could be [ Show youtube player ]quashed.

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by van_dammesque

Which ones? Big Rhino (horiz) or the bosses (vertical)? I imagine that level 13 would be tough, no not the parchment 1 mill bonus, the riding big rhinos multiples of them!



I am also interested in the gameplay aspect: the delicate twitch of the vertical (power up no.5) and long range (power up no.1) to extend vertical hits, have you thought about it yet?



Also I always was disappointed with AGA as it seems it was only a colour increase over every other specs.


EDIT: Sorry to be pedantic, but I am sure you will appreciate this, which arcade version will you mimic? Apparently the Japanese version has more stars, where the US version has more bonuses and explosions. This info is via MAME.

EDIT 2: Do you have a strategy for the "Ribena man", the big ghoul after time out? Some conversions have him going straight but I have seen an arcade clip where he can be dodged almost indefinitely. IMO it would be good if this exploit could be [ Show youtube player ]quashed.

If you have a look at this post you'll see what I perceive to be difficult/easy etc.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...7&postcount=24


I haven't thought about the Ribena man, at the moment I'm purely concentrating on getting the engine up and running with minimal bugs.

After I do the sprite clipping I'll do the Rygar -> Object interations... then I can move on to the enemies of the first level.

There's a particular enemy where the arms stretch out across the screen... I havent figured that one out in my mind yet of how I will do it.

The version I'm working to is Rygar US Set 1.

There's still loads to do in the game, I doubt I'm even half way there yet - it's quite a mammoth under taking.

Edit: I have all the power-ups in hand... the way I've done it that I can create any animation I like using the disk armour.

[van_dammesque]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

If you have a look at this post you'll see what I perceive to be difficult/easy etc.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...7&postcount=24


I haven't thought about the Ribena man, at the moment I'm purely concentrating on getting the engine up and running with minimal bugs.

After I do the sprite clipping I'll do the Rygar -> Object interations... then I can move on to the enemies of the first level.

There's a particular enemy where the arms stretch out across the screen... I havent figured that one out in my mind yet of how I will do it.

The version I'm working to is Rygar US Set 1.

There's still loads to do in the game, I doubt I'm even half way there yet - it's quite a mammoth under taking.

[mcgeezer]

In game coding, sometimes what appears to be the simplest of things can all of a sudden start to be a bit of a brain teaser, and by gum did this one make me think.

Consider when playing Rygar, have you noticed how the items that you can pick up always seem to land on a platform? Well that's no coincidence... it would be pointless if the items fell through the floor as you wouldn't be able to collect them.

This update shows that I've dealt with that. Basically I (fairly efficiently) check the tiles from the right part of the screen and look downward for a platform, if it runs into an obstacle or can't find a platform in that vertical line then it simply goes further along to the right and starts again at the top looking for a platform... when it finds the platform it push the item in there.

The video shows items being placed at particular frames.... notice how the items never fall off the edges.

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The code to remove them is also done, it's just not shown... I guess I'll save that for the collision stuff.

Geezer

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

No i dont have the extra assets that would be required that damien is talking about.

Someone would need to draw them, and it defo aint me (because i know my limitations).

I gave ALL the arcade assets here on EAB. I have reassembled all the sprites.

I'll send them to you, no need to draw anything.

[DamienD]

You're missing the point Denis... in the arcades when the weapon is spinning 180º above your head i.e. <Up> and <Fire>, there is no "chain" attached.

I was asking Graeme if this could somehow be added to the Amiga version; but there are no sprite assets for this in the original arcade so would need to be drawn...

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by DamienD

You're missing the point Denis... in the arcades when the weapon is spinning 180º above your head i.e. <Up> and <Fire>, there is no "chain" attached.

I was asking Graeme if this could somehow be added to the Amiga version; but there are no sprite assets for this in the original arcade so would need to be drawn...

Damien, i know that the weapon is spinning 180° above the player's head.

you'd need to start from the chain weapon 8x8 tile included in the sprites set, and make it turn 180° in a drawing program, generating the parts you want.

but, then if it doesn't exist in the coin-op, why including it inside the Amiga version ?

Just my 2 cts

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

you'd need to start from the chain weapon 8x8 tile included in the sprites set, and make it turn 180° in a drawing program, generating the parts you want.

I thought out doing that; if you guys give me the specific tile I'll do it in Photoshop

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

but, then if it doesn't exist in the coin-op, why including it inside the Amiga version ?

I hear ya, and would usually say just stick with the original but think this would be a very small adjustment / improvement

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by DamienD

I thought out doing that; if you guys give me the specific tile I'll do it in Photoshop


I hear ya, and would usually say just stick with the original but think this would be a very small adjustment / improvement

Well i'm afraid that this could slow down the amiga..... let's give the speech back to McGeezer on that matter.

what do you think of this, can it be done without slowing done the computer ?