A590 jumper?

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 21:00

Hi Again,

I have succeeded to get me a 200MB scsi hd to replace
the 20mb hd in the A590!

I just wanted to check the 20mb again,but due to some
fiddling to get this hd recognized in windows earlier on i have changed the jumpers(silly me

).

Now i have lost the little piece of paper where the correct jumper setting was written on

Can someone help me out to get the jumper setting right on the standard scsi drive(20mb) of the A590?

looks like :::::

Thanx
Sjakie43

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 21:38

There was wb v1.3 installed on it.(i bought it this way)(it booted just fine then)

I have tried scsi id from 0 to 7 ,no luck

I have tried scsi id from 0 to 6(with parity bit on),no luck

what's next ?

it's just 3 weeks ago when i took it out of the A590 box.

Drive spins ok, i guess.

Sjakie43

davideo · 22 May 2008, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjakie43

There was wb v1.3 installed on it.(i bought it this way)(it booted just fine then)

I have tried scsi id from 0 to 7 ,no luck

I have tried scsi id from 0 to 6(with parity bit on),no luck

what's next ?

it's just 3 weeks ago when i took it out of the A590 box.

Drive spins ok, i guess.

Sjakie43

As far as I know the first unit on a SCSI has to be zero but I'm not absolutely sure of that.

Have you tried refitting the orignal drive and seeing if that still works? Edit: Sorry just read your message again - that'll teach me to read messages fully ;-)

Just in case it's your new drive

Dave G

TheCorfiot · 22 May 2008, 22:59

Don't know the settings offhand, Will googling the Drive Model No help!!

SCSI ID can be anything from 0-6 (Controller is 7), as long as you don't have 2 devices with same ID Should be fine, a clash will cause the system to lockup usually.

Check Termination as rk has previously said on the 20MB Drive, also maybe It got corrupted when plugged into your PC.

If no go Look after the new 200MB HD and just retire the old one after all 20MB is just too small

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 23:02

hi Dave ,

Nope, it's the original scsi drive for the A590

Device 0 ,ok but maybe i'm setting jumpers wrong?

::::: where would you set the jumper on the hd?

Sjakie43

davideo · 22 May 2008, 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjakie43

hi Dave ,

Nope, it's the original scsi drive for the A590

Device 0 ,ok but maybe i'm setting jumpers wrong?

::::: where would you set the jumper on the hd?

Sjakie43

I'll check my sidecar in a few minutes and see what I can see on it

Dave G

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 23:10

Hi Corfiot,

Yes, i'm still sorting some demos to put on the 200mb Scsi hd.

But maybe i am setting the jumpers wrong?

I have looked at the details on this site>http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-dri...-SCSI1-SE.html

But maybe you are right and the drive got corrupted.

Regards
Sjakie43

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 23:10

ok Dave

davideo · 22 May 2008, 23:47

@sjakie43

My age is getting to me

I thought my sidecar was a 590 - now I've dug it out of the cupboard - it's an AlfaPower. They're IDE not SCSI.

Sorry mate - you'll have to keep searching

Dave G

sjakie43 · 22 May 2008, 23:53

ok Dave, thanx for trying !

Regards
Sjakie43

rkauer · 23 May 2008, 07:42

ID 0 is OK for a SCSI HD on any SCSI controller.

Just a question: did you mess with the termination of the HD?

HDs without the termination will become "no-findable" due the ripple on the SCSI bus.

Also check the SCSI cable and the resistor packs (terminations) in both controller and HD.

Chain · 23 May 2008, 11:52

original A590 drive can be also XT drive and not scsi.

im putting A590 service manual to the zone for ya

there are all jumpers and connections described

sjakie43 · 23 May 2008, 15:08

Thanx Chain

I have checked the 200mb scsi and it's booting
perfect on the real amiga.

So the only thing left is the scsi id i guess

Termination is just the same ,no changes, i have checked the
way the cable is connected.

Sjakie43

sjakie43 · 23 May 2008, 15:18

So how would you set the jumpers on the hd>?

::::: looks like this.
where to put the jumpers>?,parity b = on?

Sjakie43

Chain · 23 May 2008, 16:26

do you have manual for that drive, im sure it helps

sjakie43 · 24 May 2008, 22:10

Hi,

I looked at the manual,still no boot up ..

Thanx for trying though

Sjakie43

commie1974 · 25 May 2008, 21:16

Hey, as Chain said, the original 590 drive is NOT a SCSI one, it's an XT drive (8-bit IDE)
There's a jumper AFAIR at the lower right corner of PCB, which determines SCSI or XT drive selection. It must be indicated on the PCB. It's been a long time since I last opened my A590, but this is definately the solution... Switch back to XT drive selection!

sjakie43 · 25 May 2008, 21:41

The pcb is (was)already configged ok for scsi.

And it worked ok ,just AFTer i got the scsi drive out and connected
it to PC and reconnected it to the amiga it won't boot up.

Sjakie43

ganralf · 25 May 2008, 22:59

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't find an evidence that Commodore ever sold an A590 with a SCSI drive. Unfortunately the service manual doesn't say what drives were used. Both drives I'm sure the A590 was sold with are XT ones, they are Western Digital WD93028X (pic) and Epson HMD755.

Do you have a different drive there, sjakie?

sjakie43 · 28 May 2008, 22:44

hi,

i have an A590 with 20mb scsi drive.

I really can't tell if it's the original though

Regards
Sjakie43

22 May 2008, 21:00	#1
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	A590 jumper? Hi Again, I have succeeded to get me a 200MB scsi hd to replace the 20mb hd in the A590! I just wanted to check the 20mb again,but due to some fiddling to get this hd recognized in windows earlier on i have changed the jumpers(silly me). Now i have lost the little piece of paper where the correct jumper setting was written on Can someone help me out to get the jumper setting right on the standard scsi drive(20mb) of the A590? looks like ::::: Thanx Sjakie43

22 May 2008, 21:38	#2
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	A590 There was wb v1.3 installed on it.(i bought it this way)(it booted just fine then) I have tried scsi id from 0 to 7 ,no luck I have tried scsi id from 0 to 6(with parity bit on),no luck what's next ? it's just 3 weeks ago when i took it out of the A590 box. Drive spins ok, i guess. Sjakie43

22 May 2008, 23:02	#5
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd hi Dave , Nope, it's the original scsi drive for the A590 Device 0 ,ok but maybe i'm setting jumpers wrong? ::::: where would you set the jumper on the hd? Sjakie43

22 May 2008, 23:10	#7
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd Hi Corfiot, Yes, i'm still sorting some demos to put on the 200mb Scsi hd. But maybe i am setting the jumpers wrong? I have looked at the details on this site>http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-dri...-SCSI1-SE.html But maybe you are right and the drive got corrupted. Regards Sjakie43

22 May 2008, 23:10	#8
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd ok Dave

22 May 2008, 22:59	#4
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,302	Don't know the settings offhand, Will googling the Drive Model No help!! SCSI ID can be anything from 0-6 (Controller is 7), as long as you don't have 2 devices with same ID Should be fine, a clash will cause the system to lockup usually. Check Termination as rk has previously said on the 20MB Drive, also maybe It got corrupted when plugged into your PC. If no go Look after the new 200MB HD and just retire the old one after all 20MB is just too small

22 May 2008, 23:47	#9
davideo Amiga Tomcat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Lincs Posts: 1,500	@sjakie43 My age is getting to me I thought my sidecar was a 590 - now I've dug it out of the cupboard - it's an AlfaPower. They're IDE not SCSI. Sorry mate - you'll have to keep searching Dave G

22 May 2008, 23:53	#10
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd ok Dave, thanx for trying ! Regards Sjakie43

23 May 2008, 07:42	#11
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	ID 0 is OK for a SCSI HD on any SCSI controller. Just a question: did you mess with the termination of the HD? HDs without the termination will become "no-findable" due the ripple on the SCSI bus. Also check the SCSI cable and the resistor packs (terminations) in both controller and HD.

23 May 2008, 11:52	#12
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	original A590 drive can be also XT drive and not scsi. im putting A590 service manual to the zone for ya there are all jumpers and connections described

23 May 2008, 15:08	#13
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd Thanx Chain I have checked the 200mb scsi and it's booting perfect on the real amiga. So the only thing left is the scsi id i guess Termination is just the same ,no changes, i have checked the way the cable is connected. Sjakie43

23 May 2008, 15:18	#14
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd So how would you set the jumpers on the hd>? ::::: looks like this. where to put the jumpers>?,parity b = on? Sjakie43

23 May 2008, 16:26	#15
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	do you have manual for that drive, im sure it helps

24 May 2008, 22:10	#16
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd Hi, I looked at the manual,still no boot up .. Thanx for trying though Sjakie43

25 May 2008, 21:16	#17
commie1974 Amiga? What's that?!? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Piraeus-Greece Age: 50 Posts: 260	Hey, as Chain said, the original 590 drive is NOT a SCSI one, it's an XT drive (8-bit IDE) There's a jumper AFAIR at the lower right corner of PCB, which determines SCSI or XT drive selection. It must be indicated on the PCB. It's been a long time since I last opened my A590, but this is definately the solution... Switch back to XT drive selection!

25 May 2008, 21:41	#18
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd The pcb is (was)already configged ok for scsi. And it worked ok ,just AFTer i got the scsi drive out and connected it to PC and reconnected it to the amiga it won't boot up. Sjakie43

25 May 2008, 22:59	#19
ganralf Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 97	Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't find an evidence that Commodore ever sold an A590 with a SCSI drive. Unfortunately the service manual doesn't say what drives were used. Both drives I'm sure the A590 was sold with are XT ones, they are Western Digital WD93028X (pic) and Epson HMD755. Do you have a different drive there, sjakie?

28 May 2008, 22:44	#20
sjakie43 DJ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Age: 53 Posts: 445	hd hi, i have an A590 with 20mb scsi drive. I really can't tell if it's the original though Regards Sjakie43

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