WinUAE - HD, and WinUAE Beats me

25 October 2003, 20:00

I just cant get this to work, im on WinXP Pro, running WinUAE 8.22 R9, and i have a separate drive for it.. now how the heck do i do to get WinUAE to use it as a drive, and NOT a harddrive file?

I looked around on the forum, just cant get anything, followed two links, both just showing ya how to harddrifve file it... no good for me, trying to set up the drive for use with my actuall amiga... rumor has it it will work, so i wanna try...

Any help..Please..
B!

thomas · 25 October 2003, 23:58

Well, this only works if the drive is really empty from the PC's point of view (e.g. bought new from the store or formatted in an Amiga before). It must not contain a MBR.

Then just open WinUAE, go to Hard Drives tab, click on Add Harddrive and choose your hdd.

After booting AmigaOS, tell HDToolBox to use uaehf.device instead of scsi.device (edit the tooltypes or use it from the Shell).

26 October 2003, 00:19

So, simply removing the partition table wont do i guess..?

Low level format? if thats even available for the 2.5" drives from IBM... i might still have some old PC with bios low level, somewhere... Any other ideas?

Thanks, good advice is worth more solid gold.
B!

ElectroBlaster · 26 October 2003, 01:32

yeh ive had this problem! i found one of my old 1.2gig drives recently and after hooking it up to my pc it was fat32 formatted! strange how it was still holding workbench aswell tho... lol

I put the same drive in my spare 1200 and up pops workbench!

26 October 2003, 01:34

That means it should work i guess, just gota figure out how...

Keep shooting ideas, if you get any.. im trying here..
B!

fisken uno · 26 October 2003, 01:37

Mr B, does HBG mean Helsingborg?

26 October 2003, 01:38

yup, Why, you close?
B!

fisken uno · 26 October 2003, 01:40

Lund. Not that far away then

Good to see some fellow amiga lovers in our crappy country.

26 October 2003, 01:42

Yupp... to bad you "so far off" i need to get that darn drive running, saved all my floppies to CD, cant put em back to floppie without a running amiga, and offcourse my Workbench floppies have died...

Sucks, but thats life...
B!

fisken uno · 26 October 2003, 01:46

Yea, sorry but I can not assist you. You see, I am a sorry emu guy these days because I was such a moron and sold my amiga many many years ago. And since then I haven't been able to find a new one.

26 October 2003, 01:52

Awww.. sorry to hear that.. i'll get my stuff sorted, sooner or later.. just hope you get hands on with a Amiga some day...

Best wishes!
B!

whiteb · 26 October 2003, 04:02

The best bet to return an ENTIRE DRIVE back to pre-purchase state is to go to the manufacturers homepage and download their "Drive whipe" program that turns it to all theoretical Zero's.

Not even MBR or partitioning survives. (Most IDE drives THESE days, when you try to LOW-LEVEL will say they have, but infact WILL NOT because of the destructive nature of LOW LEVEL format and IDE)

thomas · 26 October 2003, 07:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.B
So, simply removing the partition table wont do i guess..?

Removing the MBR should do I think. There are only a few bytes that make the MBR recognisable. If you've got Linux (e.g Knoppix) you could erase the first few blocks of the hdd with a simple dd command.

Perhaps Toni can say more because he has built in this protection. IIRC he also wanted to add a hidden option to allow recognition of MBR hdds (allowing you to destroy your main Windows hdd).

Toni Wilen · 26 October 2003, 10:55

Zero first 100 or so blocks or run WinUAE with -disableharddrivesafetycheck -command line parameter

WARNING: don't accidentally partition/format your Windows drive..

26 October 2003, 11:15

Great, one step ahead, two steps back, now i can add the harddrive, easy to identify, DSOA-21080 Only ide drive that claims to run on a scsi chip... in my PC that is.. and i guess thats why its still failing? It dont show in workbench, and the hardware tools, dont find it, partition fails, after trying to partition both ide and scsi drives...

No luck, ideas plz? can it be the Gigabyte custom raid / ata chip that does it? raid is offcourse turned off, but it still shows as a scsi drive, might it help if i disconnect a cd burner, and hook the drive to the secondare chipset ide? Any other ideas?

Great big thanks guys, you done good so far, its just me i guess...
B!

Toni Wilen · 26 October 2003, 11:45

Interface type does not matter, all drives that Windows has driver support are automatically detected.

Remember to use uaehf.device ("hdtoolbox uaehf.device"), not uaescsi.device.

26 October 2003, 11:56

Hhum, nope, no go, um.. lets see, i think i did like this...

Run with the - thingy parameter, added the correct drive only, started with "WB3 - install" disk in df0 so far, no go, mounted idefix97, and reset the emu.. ran the finddevice thing, only option in the list is the uaehf.device so no problem there, still no drive shows, click in show all... and there it is, tell it to use, and thats it, dont show anywhere, still cant partition it or anything, ideas? am i a big pain in the backside? sorry if so...

Again, Great thanks.
B!

devilstar · 26 October 2003, 12:57

Gothenburg is speaking

Good to see atleast some swedish amiga freaks here!!

Hade gött!

thomas · 26 October 2003, 15:33

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.B
Hhum, nope, no go, um.. lets see, i think i did like this...

Run with the - thingy parameter, added the correct drive only, started with "WB3 - install" disk in df0 so far, no go, mounted idefix97, and reset the emu.. ran the finddevice thing, only option in the list is the uaehf.device so no problem there, still no drive shows, click in show all... and there it is, tell it to use, and thats it, dont show anywhere, still cant partition it or anything, ideas? am i a big pain in the backside? sorry if so...

Again, Great thanks.
B!

Do you have another hdf or directory configured as hdd ? I've epxerienced that HDToolbox of OS3.1 and below only sees the first hdd in the list.

26 October 2003, 17:49

i got the idefix thingy as second harddrive, mounted that folder from c:\program files\WinUAE\Idefix

Thats it
B!

25 October 2003, 20:00	#1
Mr.B Posts: n/a	WinUAE - HD, and WinUAE Beats me I just cant get this to work, im on WinXP Pro, running WinUAE 8.22 R9, and i have a separate drive for it.. now how the heck do i do to get WinUAE to use it as a drive, and NOT a harddrive file? I looked around on the forum, just cant get anything, followed two links, both just showing ya how to harddrifve file it... no good for me, trying to set up the drive for use with my actuall amiga... rumor has it it will work, so i wanna try... Any help..Please.. B!

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25 October 2003, 23:58	#2
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Well, this only works if the drive is really empty from the PC's point of view (e.g. bought new from the store or formatted in an Amiga before). It must not contain a MBR. Then just open WinUAE, go to Hard Drives tab, click on Add Harddrive and choose your hdd. After booting AmigaOS, tell HDToolBox to use uaehf.device instead of scsi.device (edit the tooltypes or use it from the Shell).

26 October 2003, 00:19	#3
Mr.B Posts: n/a	So, simply removing the partition table wont do i guess..? Low level format? if thats even available for the 2.5" drives from IBM... i might still have some old PC with bios low level, somewhere... Any other ideas? Thanks, good advice is worth more solid gold. B!

26 October 2003, 01:32	#4
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 49 Posts: 1,705	yeh ive had this problem! i found one of my old 1.2gig drives recently and after hooking it up to my pc it was fat32 formatted! strange how it was still holding workbench aswell tho... lol I put the same drive in my spare 1200 and up pops workbench!

26 October 2003, 01:34	#5
Mr.B Posts: n/a	That means it should work i guess, just gota figure out how... Keep shooting ideas, if you get any.. im trying here.. B!

26 October 2003, 01:37	#6
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Mr B, does HBG mean Helsingborg?

26 October 2003, 01:38	#7
Mr.B Posts: n/a	yup, Why, you close? B!

26 October 2003, 01:40	#8
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Lund. Not that far away then Good to see some fellow amiga lovers in our crappy country.

26 October 2003, 01:42	#9
Mr.B Posts: n/a	Yupp... to bad you "so far off" i need to get that darn drive running, saved all my floppies to CD, cant put em back to floppie without a running amiga, and offcourse my Workbench floppies have died... Sucks, but thats life... B!

26 October 2003, 01:46	#10
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Yea, sorry but I can not assist you. You see, I am a sorry emu guy these days because I was such a moron and sold my amiga many many years ago. And since then I haven't been able to find a new one.

26 October 2003, 01:52	#11
Mr.B Posts: n/a	Awww.. sorry to hear that.. i'll get my stuff sorted, sooner or later.. just hope you get hands on with a Amiga some day... Best wishes! B!

26 October 2003, 04:02	#12
whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	The best bet to return an ENTIRE DRIVE back to pre-purchase state is to go to the manufacturers homepage and download their "Drive whipe" program that turns it to all theoretical Zero's. Not even MBR or partitioning survives. (Most IDE drives THESE days, when you try to LOW-LEVEL will say they have, but infact WILL NOT because of the destructive nature of LOW LEVEL format and IDE)

26 October 2003, 10:55	#14
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Zero first 100 or so blocks or run WinUAE with -disableharddrivesafetycheck -command line parameter WARNING: don't accidentally partition/format your Windows drive..

26 October 2003, 11:15	#15
Mr.B Posts: n/a	Great, one step ahead, two steps back, now i can add the harddrive, easy to identify, DSOA-21080 Only ide drive that claims to run on a scsi chip... in my PC that is.. and i guess thats why its still failing? It dont show in workbench, and the hardware tools, dont find it, partition fails, after trying to partition both ide and scsi drives... No luck, ideas plz? can it be the Gigabyte custom raid / ata chip that does it? raid is offcourse turned off, but it still shows as a scsi drive, might it help if i disconnect a cd burner, and hook the drive to the secondare chipset ide? Any other ideas? Great big thanks guys, you done good so far, its just me i guess... B!

26 October 2003, 11:45	#16
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Interface type does not matter, all drives that Windows has driver support are automatically detected. Remember to use uaehf.device ("hdtoolbox uaehf.device"), not uaescsi.device.

26 October 2003, 11:56	#17
Mr.B Posts: n/a	Hhum, nope, no go, um.. lets see, i think i did like this... Run with the - thingy parameter, added the correct drive only, started with "WB3 - install" disk in df0 so far, no go, mounted idefix97, and reset the emu.. ran the finddevice thing, only option in the list is the uaehf.device so no problem there, still no drive shows, click in show all... and there it is, tell it to use, and thats it, dont show anywhere, still cant partition it or anything, ideas? am i a big pain in the backside? sorry if so... Again, Great thanks. B!

26 October 2003, 12:57	#18
devilstar Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gothenburg/Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 40	Gothenburg is speaking Good to see atleast some swedish amiga freaks here!! Hade gött!

26 October 2003, 17:49	#20
Mr.B Posts: n/a	i got the idefix thingy as second harddrive, mounted that folder from c:\program files\WinUAE\Idefix Thats it B!

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