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So far my understanding was RoHS initially was separate from the CE stamp. RoHS 2 came into effect in 2013 and was mandatory for the CE stamp therefore making unnecessary the RoHS (wheeliebin?) mark for CE stamped devices after 2013. I'm also reading in this RoHS 2 FAQ that electronic boards, including the likes of graphics cards, are not regarded as finished EEE devices despite the fact that the finished product with the device installed in is a finished EEE device itself. I've yet to read/understand how finished and unfinished EEE matters, haha. You can tell i'm not in work this week can't you John |
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From my point of view ... even if I could justify everything satisfactorily ... if I were hauled up to a court/hearing to do that it would cost me more than just doing the testing.
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Fair point - have you actually looked into how often cases as small as yours (i mean you'd be selling what, a few hundred boards a year max?) come about? I imagine you'd be on the bottom of a list and the penalties would be at the low end of the scale, especially for a small business. I'm talking the 'declaration' route here, not the testing. Not a suggestion, just thinking out loud really. EDIT: I mean the only real concern is EMI, right? And as a Ham (i get the feeling you are too? you've spoke of SDR or a few times i think - or just a passing interest?) I can tell you that even big cases of EMI infringement, like those bloody homeplugs (imagine your vertically running twin and earth power cables acting as antennas on the homeplug frequencies and their harmonics) - Ofcom/etc don't seem to give a rats a$$. The problem arises if your EMI issues are on bands/harmonics reserved for commercial/military/medical/or otherwise reserved bands and they make a complaint. This can be easily checked for and a solid argument made based on the frequencies used and the low power consumption. You're not using anything resonant with 25, 33, or 50 megs, and the 7meg side is taken care of by prior compliance by commodore I guess. I'll look up some compliance numbers if i can - purely out of curiosity - again i'm not trying to give you advice or persuade you to do anything anything. I just think its an interesting discussion is all. John Last edited by project23; 11 October 2018 at 14:49. Reason: EMI stuff |
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The issue is they tend to look at penalties in terms of company performance. My livelihood is through my business so I’m not going to risk that for something with such small profits. Spending 3 days of my time on this would simply be more expensive than EMI testing. And EMI testing is more than the profits you ever see selling Amiga hardware... and people still moan about the prices.
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Didn't realise you already had your own business, thought this'd just be a side thing. Make much more sense now. |
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Thanks, that clears a lot of stuff up, and i'm sure raises a lot more questions!
Thanks for the link, i'll give it a read over. I take it this is separate to the conditions of the actual CE certification, which from what you've said previously I believe in the case of Amiga cards only really includes EMI testing? So with the properly prescribed declarations (whatever that costs) or EMI testing, it seems that accelerator cards for the Amiga can certainly be CE stamped today even if they contain 'spare parts' that are non RoHS compliant. So it really would just be a case of someone drafting the appropriate declaration that testing isn't necessary I guess? Cheers for all of this - it really is an interesting/complicated mess. John |
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What you should have is proper documentation of how you arrived at the position of being able to make the declaration. That will include an assessment of all relevant directives, and a rationale explaining any exemptions applied. That will also include results of any testing carried out, and details of any calculations and simulations carried out in lieu of testing. These documents need to be held for a minimum length of time after the product is sold (IIRC this is 10 years for consumer electronics, it's indefinite for medical devices). |
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Ah yes, as opposed to the formal declaration. I would think of such documents as justifications or rationales, not declarations. Sorry
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First boot with 68040 cpu
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Cool ! Hope that i can buy it soon !!
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project23 why would i care if something has a warranty or not , if its proved to work why would i care about it blowing up as i can just buy another , like plasmab stuff its awesome and its just a hobby at the end of the day its all fun if it works and if it dont worth a try .
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Maybe you have money to blow on such things on a whim. I personally refuse to risk £100 on something that might 'blow up' as you say without any recourse and without the means to repair it myself in the spirit of the hobby it is. Just my opinion of course. John BTW I don't see how this relates to this current discussion? It has nothing to do with how designers and builders may be offended by demands and complaints? EDIT: Apologies, i confused you with TjLazer. My response doesn't change though (except the 'BTW' bit of course) @TjLazer - Why don't we just leave this as follows - you didn't mean offence, but the choice of words was the kind that has been heard hundreds of times over and worn designers down to the point that they literally leave the community. Demands and complaints are always remembered - praise isn't. Last edited by project23; 11 October 2018 at 22:53. |
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CS540 boot up with 68040 CPU. [ Show youtube player ] There is plenty of hard ware project wich are never notice (or too late) in these English speaking forums. |
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Nice! It must not have fast ram on it as it’s running slow? Can’t wait to see more info on it. A 68040 finally! I’m sure it’ll run hot in the tight case. Hope it won’t have overheating issues like the 3000.
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It's nice to have a choice, but personally I'm not looking forward to a 68040 expansion.
The 040 does have some (minor) compatibility issue, it is difficult to cool properly on a "keyboard" Amiga, and you need to upgrade your power supply. (it would work for a while with the original PSU, but I've seen many C= PSU eventually dying on these 040 accelerators) Beside, is there really that many software that requires it ? A few cool demos sure, would also help Lightwave, and maybe also Vroom (for some reason, it doesn't seem to run much better on a 030 compared to a 68000 but get very smooth on a 040). That's about it. If you compare to the huge improvement the 68030 brings over the 68000, the extra processing power brought from the 68040 over the 68030 is fairly minor. (not in term of actual performance - the difference is huge - , but in term of what it actually brings you as an Amiga user) It made a lot of sense in the 90s, when we were still hoping for new softwares to take advantage of it. Nowdays, it's still cool, but to me it's not worth it. I'm happy for people looking forward to it though, but a 68030 extension makes a lot more sense to me. |
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I look away for one evening and come back to this. Please from now on only discuss the progress of the CS540 accelerator and start a new thread on another subforum to discuss any related subject.
If this is impossible, my remaining options are to delete anything that is not a progress update, request for information or congratulation post or just lock this thread. Edit: I have deleted about 20 posts from here as per the reports sent to the moderation team. Last edited by Jope; 12 October 2018 at 13:42. |
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