Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition

[Tigerskunk]

looks and now sounds amazing. (y)

[dlfrsilver]

Awesome job so good to see that !

[Foul]

for me, the pitch when firing is a little bit too high... the rest is perfect !

@mcgeezer : http://web.archive.org/web/200710011...:80/rguide.htm

The Complete Map with hidden Bonus... can help you i think

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Foul

for me, the pitch when firing is a little bit too high... the rest is perfect !

@mcgeezer : http://web.archive.org/web/200710011...:80/rguide.htm

The Complete Map with hidden Bonus... can help you i think

Ahhh I knew I had seen that before! Thanks very much Foul!

[mcgeezer]

Look at the state of this....



You have to laugh really, some people probably think morse code sounds better than the fucking Beatles... i mean what do you do with that shit?

CPC version!!! Now don't get me wrong, i think its alright (no I'm not a Shania Twain fan) but not in the same league of DJ METUNE's version.

Happy to discuss here.

[Retro-Nerd]

You should know it by now. The CPC is the best homecomputer ever. Everything is better on this machine. Everything!!!

[saimon69]

@mcgeezer

whatever you do or say, you cannot escape from the TROLLZ! (been there) :P

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by saimon69

@mcgeezer

whatever you do or say, you cannot escape from the TROLLZ! (been there) :P

That's not a troll.... whoever that is needs their ears replacing.

[mcgeezer]

In other news I had a need to bust out the real hardware again tonight so thought I would make use of the Monster Joystick my wife got me for xmas...

Here's a video running on my real A1200 http://109.228.4.199/rygarhw1.mp4

If any of you want the ADF I've used then drop me a PM.

Just a quick note as well to say a big thank you to @seuden for sending me an a1200 accellerator card which I will put to good use for testing! (Will let you know how it goes mate! ).

Geezer

Edit - a few requests for the ADF... http://109.228.4.199/RYGARFFS.adf
You'll need about 1800Kb of chip ram.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

You should know it by now. The CPC is the best homecomputer ever. Everything is better on this machine. Everything!!!

Well it's not complicated aside one particular computer

More seriously, the CPC rendition is good, but it's not in the same league with the current Rygar AGA version.

I love the CPC, but let's stay realistic

[roondar]

Originally Posted by DJ METUNE

The issue here with the sound effects taking over one of the music channels sometimes, (muting one note from the chords in the ingame music), will not occur with the next music version. The chords will instead be mixed to use only one channel instead of two. So the sound effects gonna have two clean channels to use freely in polyphonic.

The music mod will eat slightly more chipmem though, but I'll optimize it ofcourse to keep the filesize down as much as possible without lowering the quality.

It's a must to have it like that anyways. Because during the waterfall periods, there should, (to keep it faithful to the original), also be a water sound playing simultaneously as the music and the normal sound effects. There should better not in that case be any polyphonic mode for the normal SFX during those special water periods.

For the intro and interval music etc that needs to play more music notes simultaneously, all four channels is engaged for the music. As there's no SFX playing there anyways.

Always maximal use of the audio channels in various but wisely ways! :-)

/ DJ METUNE

On the channel thing: it's just a guess, but if McGeezer is using the Protracker replay routine with sound effects support by PHX - that routine allows sound effects to be limited to play back only on certain channels and never on others. That might also be able to help.


Love the music so far

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by DJ METUNE

The issue here with the sound effects taking over one of the music channels sometimes, (muting one note from the chords in the ingame music), will not occur with the next music version. The chords will instead be mixed to use only one channel instead of two. So the sound effects gonna have two clean channels to use freely in polyphonic.

The music mod will eat slightly more chipmem though, but I'll optimize it ofcourse to keep the filesize down as much as possible without lowering the quality.

It's a must to have it like that anyways. Because during the waterfall periods, there should, (to keep it faithful to the original), also be a water sound playing simultaneously as the music and the normal sound effects. There should better not in that case be any polyphonic mode for the normal SFX during those special water periods.

For the intro and interval music etc that needs to play more music notes simultaneously, all four channels is engaged for the music. As there's no SFX playing there anyways.

Always maximal use of the audio channels in various but wisely ways! :-)

/ DJ METUNE

Despite it was off in the aural department due to samples being from direct mp3 capture and deflemask, you could refer to the songs structure of my old mod as reference if needed, since was in two channel mostly; ask Graeme

[DJ METUNE]

Originally Posted by saimon69

Despite it was off in the aural department due to samples being from direct mp3 capture and deflemask, you could refer to the songs structure of my old mod as reference if needed, since was in two channel mostly; ask Graeme

Thanks man! A good thought, but I don't think I'm gonna have any direct benefit from the interpretation of yours in my current progress. I strive to have it sound as the original.

I found the music to not be very complicated per se, it's much more about working to retain all that nature of the instruments and their volumes relativity to each other, as well as the sustains, release and other behaviours that together forms this retro arcade sound we all love.

I work a lot with sample preparations and tracker optimisations to make everything sound as good and accurate as possible but without using any unnecessary data.

Because also every new pattern adds an extra 1024 bytes to the filesize, I try to keep the amount of patterns to a minimum. I therefore loop ranges in the patterns everywhere it's applicable and even jump to other sections in other patterns in order to reuse note data for repeating parts. Playing also with the lowest ticks as possible to make use of all precious capacity of every line. Sometimes even half the speed on parts where only 8th notes is required. Everything as long as it doesn't affect the perceived accuracy.

[DJ METUNE]

Originally Posted by roondar

On the channel thing: it's just a guess, but if McGeezer is using the Protracker replay routine with sound effects support by PHX - that routine allows sound effects to be limited to play back only on certain channels and never on others. That might also be able to help.


Love the music so far

Thanks! Yes, I talked with McGeezer about that. He has promised to only use the last two channels for the SFX.

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

You have to laugh really, some people probably think morse code sounds better than the fucking Beatles...

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by DJ METUNE

Because also every new pattern adds an extra 1024 bytes to the filesize, I try to keep the amount of patterns to a minimum. I therefore loop ranges in the patterns everywhere it's applicable and even jump to other sections in other patterns in order to reuse note data for repeating parts. Playing also with the lowest ticks as possible to make use of all precious capacity of every line. Sometimes even half the speed on parts where only 8th notes is required. Everything as long as it doesn't affect the perceived accuracy.

Wow, you are really "stepping up the game" when it comes to mod creation for games here...

[mcgeezer]

Update here as I've been working on the consistency in the game...
Things like redrawing the scene when Rygar loses a life and fixing the sanctuary scene when entering a new round.

Here's my current bug list...

• 001 Platforms do not redraw after loss of life. [Fixed]
• 002 Items and Stones are not initialised at game start
• 003 Sometimes platforms appear on opposite side of screen
• 004 Getting killed next to platform does not end life (locks the game)
• 005 Santuary carousel not syncronised with Rygar
• 006 Sprites are not clipped on Y Axis
• 007 Player restarts at beginning of round after first [Fixed]
• 008 Sometimes background colours do not work after round starts
• 009 Scrolling off by 1 issue when canvas is redrawn (after losing a life) [Fixed]
• 010 Top left of tomb tile appears in tile maps
• 011 Getting killed and entering carousel somehow resurrected Rygar
• 012 If Rygar dies then he needs to be placed on top of an object
• 013 Small GFX glitch over lives counter
• 014 Drones sometimes cause Rygar to jump instead of death [Understood]
• 015 Rygar death sequence starts after game restart
• 016 Objects on canvas draw has crap behind them.

If you spot more bugs then feel free to reply!

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Few more Ronnies then off to bed!

Geezer

[4pLaY]

Looks sweet mcgeezer, looking forward to seeing this one finished :-).

[Foul]

Stones at the end of level watching at the opposite... watching right instead of left just before the hero touch them to enter or exiting the bonus room..
Don't know if I'm clear

[DamienD]

I understand what you're saying foul. Your post is in relation to the metal statues at the end of round; which Rygar rotates.

Besides your points, the second one when leaving is too far right.