Sound, Tried everything

31 May 2002, 19:56

I just want to know wether the Sound Blaster Audio PCI 128 card,
is one of those cards that won't work ok never with Winuae.

I've read all the readmes, many discussions and tried things like

: Downloading latest drivers
: Try every Sound buffer size and any Sound option (accuracy,
quality and the new lag control)

But still the sound is buggy, it just chuckles, plays 4 secs and
stop. If I change the buffer size it plays 6 secs ands stops...

I dunno what else to try, any help? or should I stick to Winfellow?

. I would be just happy if someone told be if my
card is one of the 'bad' ones, because I'm a bit frustated of
downloading every version the last years, only to realize that
the sound problem doesn't disappear.

Computer specs:

PIII 750Mhz
256Mb RAM
TNT32 Riva
SoundBlaster Audio PCI 128

BTW, Opengl support works better for me. Thank you for your
work, anyway.

From San Sebastian, Spain

Djay · 31 May 2002, 20:12

in the Display Tab, change refresh to skip every 2 or 3 frames...... this worked for me

31 May 2002, 20:17

If this works I won't care about losing a frame or two, thanks.
I just didn't try this because the sprites seem to move quite
smoothly with no frame skip. I'll try anyway, Thanks! (If only
the computer at work could support winuae...

)

Djay · 31 May 2002, 21:07

it doesn't make much difference to the visuals, but the sound was so much better...

... if you find that the Amiga crashes during loading etc... use default reframe frame rate, then change when you start playing.

CPC464 · 31 May 2002, 23:29

I had a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and it always worked fine with WunUae

try a few different versions or messing about with the sound settings

Ryan_clemens · 01 June 2002, 00:04

I think people have got to realise that 1.0 Ghz and less CPU's cannot handle emulated amiga games all that well.
maybe it should stated that winuae is extremely CPU dependent.
and requires 1.3Ghz + for best results.

Jaivan you could sell your P3 for a decent price and buy yourself a celeron 1.3 for only a little more if your motherboard supports it.
that should give you plenty more speed. you could also try overclocking your P3 but I don't think it would be worth it as I overclocked my duron 1000 to 1200 on 133 fsb and I hardly noticed any difference in speed.

Djay · 01 June 2002, 00:09

so as my custom user says "14.32Mhz beats 2.4Ghz".....

WinUAE 08.08.R8 ran perfect on low spec PCs, surely the bulk of the code hasn't changed much since then, i know we have some really good features now, but still.

maybe Toni, should do a WinUAE lite................

01 June 2002, 18:35

I noticed a similar thing.

What CPU emulation are you using??

I was using 040 JIT and noticed that if I chose a different emulated CPU, or reduced the JIT cache to 0 Meg, then it fixed all sound problems.

I think that there must be some issues with JIT emulation and sound emulation synchronisation.

Later

01 June 2002, 19:36

Well I tried what DJay suggested and yes, improves the sounds but not that much. Besides Adjusting more to the Chipset speed improved a little the sound to.

Alex: I was using just 68000 emulation, thus with no JIT settings available. With 68020 the sound is likely though, regardless the jit settings.

Ryan: Maybe I should have stated that I'm a user interested at playing some old glories. I do not seek running Demos or tricky display effects. Anyway I find the Winuae politic of compatibility priority, I find it most respectable. But I'll stick to Winfellow to run Rick Dangerous

This reminds me that I must buy a real amiga as fast as I can.
Djay: Thank you for your suggestions.

LUKas007 · 05 June 2002, 13:42

Yea, real Amiga rocks... No emu can be compared to a real hardware.

7-Zark-7 · 05 June 2002, 16:55

@Jaivan. What O/S are you using? I'm guessing that,like me you are using Windows 98? The "choppy sound" has been a recurring issue for some time now.
Apparently, most Win2K & XP users of the latest WinUAE's do not seem to experience any of these issues.
Like Djay said,if you're interested in a fast,non-choppy sound version of WinUAE try either 08.8r8,or 08.8r9 that is available right here in "The Zone" tab,(Top right corner).
Apparently the coder responsible for the old sound routine left the WinUAE dev. team after those releases, so a new sound routine was used.
Still, to their credit, they've been attempting to correct things since 0821rX series started.

05 June 2002, 17:38

Windows 98 Indeed

. Thank you for the info, now that I know
they are trying to fix it I'm happy. I use w2000 at work but
I prefer 98 since I still use some msdos based apps, like
RealSpectrum for instance

. I'll consider to install w2000 (never XP) provided that any of you claim that works better than with 98

ElectroBlaster · 21 June 2002, 19:56

Well I use windowsXP not to be the latest kid on the block! Its because it works better for me than 98/ME!
I still have a dualboot system running 98se for old apps and dodgy games that wont run.
Winuae works 100% with sound and picasso96 screen modes on my setup... the only problem i get is opengl wont work??? even tho my card is opengl and even listed as compatible with amithlon?
I thinks its true about the 1ghz cpu thing with uae. We have two setups based around Amd athlons! one has a 1ghz cpu and the other has a 900mhz cpu which seems just a tad slower with sound on uae...
This problem will go away completely (I hope) with all this new hardware thats coming in the next few months!
Then we will see mega powerfull amiga's! wonder if the 68060 could be emulated? wishfull thinking LOL

23 June 2002, 16:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryan_clemens
1.0 Ghz and less CPU's cannot handle emulated amiga games all that well.

errrm, my celeron 900mHz runs the latest winUAE (23/6/02) very well...almost perfectly,in fact. the only problems i get are the sound breaking up slightly on occasions when i play Eye Of The Beholder. Here are my specs:

celeron 900
win XP proffesional ed.
GeForce 2 Ti
Soundblaster Live!

ElectroBlaster · 25 June 2002, 19:01

Quote:

errrm, my celeron 900mHz runs the latest winUAE (23/6/02) very well

yeh so does our 900mhz athy! but the same thing happens as yours! the sounds breaks up a bit...

but the main system thats got the t-bird1.4 never kicks off unless i move the emulation screen around. in picasso96 full screen mode its 100% no problems!

Bloodwych · 25 June 2002, 19:28

My friend runs the latest WinUAE on a K6-III 400, 128MB SDRAM and a sblive! with no problems in the sound department. He gets full speed emulation, full sound and no frame skip. It works 100% fine.

With my Duron 933, I can get 400MIPS with JIT enabled and 12 MIPS disabled for the CPU. Overall emulation has games and demos running sweet, including the very intensive ones.

I don't know what causes people to have these sound issues, but it's not lack of CPU power in most cases. I've seen people complain about this problem with the top rated intel/XP cpu's so it's something else causing the grief.

Drake1009 · 25 June 2002, 23:57

I'm still thinking the sound problem is the motherboard and conflicts between units.

Earlier I had extreme problems with it, until I got an upgrade (faster CPU and new motherboard). Before that the problem could easily be solved by replacing the GeForce graphics card with a TNT2 graphics card. My guess (which isn't worth much) is that the units in the pc overload the bus. On not good motherboards this would pose a problem. For me it was also apparent when it kept losing connection to my USB devices as soon as I tried going over a certain speed.

7-Zark-7 · 26 June 2002, 16:43

Hmm, but why then does the flakey sound issue only seems to be particulary apparent on Win9x, machines?
Before I upgraded to a Geforce 3 card,I had a TNT card,& I was still experiencing patchy sound on releases after 08.8r8/9.
Perhaps one of the WinUAE coders could enlighten us?

BTW-Electroblaster, did you use an upgrade version of XP, & more to the point,is your Windows 98 version an OEM version?
I've been debating about possibly getting XP home,but I had been a little unsure if you needed the retail version of Windows 98,(When the XP install will demand the old Win 98 disk for verification),or if a OEM version of Windows 98 is sufficient?

Paul · 26 June 2002, 16:59

Quote:

Originally posted by 7-Zark-7
I've been debating about possibly getting XP home,but I had been a little unsure if you needed the retail version of Windows 98,(When the XP install will demand the old Win 98 disk for verification),or if a OEM version of Windows 98 is sufficient?

Well I have XP Home and when I Installed it, XP setup never asked for 98 CD, I have the full install version though.

7-Zark-7 · 26 June 2002, 17:30

The full version of which, Windows 98, or XP home? As for not being prompted for the CD, I think that is only supposed to apply if you are upgrading that partition to XP (From Windows 98). If I understood things correctly, on a multi-booting setup,you'd need the older Windows 98 disk during the installation setup.

BTW-Paul, if you have the "full" version of XP, then you wouldn't need Windows 98 Cd either. What I'm actually asking about is people whom have bought the "upgrade" (ie:cheaper), version of XP home,& whether if they've done it successfully via having an OEM version of Windows 98.
I have read of instances where some OEM versions of 98SE,(Not of Win98 1st Ed, which I have though),could not be used with the "upgrade" version of Xp home.
I was less surprised users of the "Restore CD's" type of O/S's couldn't upgrade,(ie:your Compaq's,HP etc.), but I was a tad concerned that normal OEM versions,(with CD key/booklet etc.), may not be able to be used as an upgrade path. I'd be surprised if it were true, but it'd be reassuring to hear if anyone's done a multibooting O/S setup with '98 & Xp using an OEM 98 & the "upgrade version" of XP all the same.

Sorry to drag this off-topic,incidentally. PM,if need be. And if anyone can explain why the choppy sound issue exists for '9x PC's but not Win2K/XP, that'd be interesting too!

31 May 2002, 19:56	#1
Jaivan Posts: n/a	Sound, Tried everything I just want to know wether the Sound Blaster Audio PCI 128 card, is one of those cards that won't work ok never with Winuae. I've read all the readmes, many discussions and tried things like : Downloading latest drivers : Try every Sound buffer size and any Sound option (accuracy, quality and the new lag control) But still the sound is buggy, it just chuckles, plays 4 secs and stop. If I change the buffer size it plays 6 secs ands stops... I dunno what else to try, any help? or should I stick to Winfellow? . I would be just happy if someone told be if my card is one of the 'bad' ones, because I'm a bit frustated of downloading every version the last years, only to realize that the sound problem doesn't disappear. Computer specs: PIII 750Mhz 256Mb RAM TNT32 Riva SoundBlaster Audio PCI 128 BTW, Opengl support works better for me. Thank you for your work, anyway. From San Sebastian, Spain

01 June 2002, 00:04	#6
Ryan_clemens Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Zealand Age: 45 Posts: 67	1ghz and less I think people have got to realise that 1.0 Ghz and less CPU's cannot handle emulated amiga games all that well. maybe it should stated that winuae is extremely CPU dependent. and requires 1.3Ghz + for best results. Jaivan you could sell your P3 for a decent price and buy yourself a celeron 1.3 for only a little more if your motherboard supports it. that should give you plenty more speed. you could also try overclocking your P3 but I don't think it would be worth it as I overclocked my duron 1000 to 1200 on 133 fsb and I hardly noticed any difference in speed. Last edited by Ryan_clemens; 01 June 2002 at 00:13.

26 June 2002, 17:30	#20
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	The full version of which, Windows 98, or XP home? As for not being prompted for the CD, I think that is only supposed to apply if you are upgrading that partition to XP (From Windows 98). If I understood things correctly, on a multi-booting setup,you'd need the older Windows 98 disk during the installation setup. BTW-Paul, if you have the "full" version of XP, then you wouldn't need Windows 98 Cd either. What I'm actually asking about is people whom have bought the "upgrade" (ie:cheaper), version of XP home,& whether if they've done it successfully via having an OEM version of Windows 98. I have read of instances where some OEM versions of 98SE,(Not of Win98 1st Ed, which I have though),could not be used with the "upgrade" version of Xp home. I was less surprised users of the "Restore CD's" type of O/S's couldn't upgrade,(ie:your Compaq's,HP etc.), but I was a tad concerned that normal OEM versions,(with CD key/booklet etc.), may not be able to be used as an upgrade path. I'd be surprised if it were true, but it'd be reassuring to hear if anyone's done a multibooting O/S setup with '98 & Xp using an OEM 98 & the "upgrade version" of XP all the same. Sorry to drag this off-topic,incidentally. PM,if need be. And if anyone can explain why the choppy sound issue exists for '9x PC's but not Win2K/XP, that'd be interesting too! Last edited by 7-Zark-7; 26 June 2002 at 18:09.

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31 May 2002, 20:12	#2
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	in the Display Tab, change refresh to skip every 2 or 3 frames...... this worked for me

31 May 2002, 20:17	#3
Jaivan Posts: n/a	If this works I won't care about losing a frame or two, thanks. I just didn't try this because the sprites seem to move quite smoothly with no frame skip. I'll try anyway, Thanks! (If only the computer at work could support winuae... )

31 May 2002, 21:07	#4
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	it doesn't make much difference to the visuals, but the sound was so much better... ... if you find that the Amiga crashes during loading etc... use default reframe frame rate, then change when you start playing.

31 May 2002, 23:29	#5
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 54 Posts: 393	I had a Sound Blaster PCI 128 and it always worked fine with WunUae try a few different versions or messing about with the sound settings

01 June 2002, 00:09	#7
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	so as my custom user says "14.32Mhz beats 2.4Ghz"..... WinUAE 08.08.R8 ran perfect on low spec PCs, surely the bulk of the code hasn't changed much since then, i know we have some really good features now, but still. maybe Toni, should do a WinUAE lite................

01 June 2002, 18:35	#8
alexh Posts: n/a	I noticed a similar thing. What CPU emulation are you using?? I was using 040 JIT and noticed that if I chose a different emulated CPU, or reduced the JIT cache to 0 Meg, then it fixed all sound problems. I think that there must be some issues with JIT emulation and sound emulation synchronisation. Later

01 June 2002, 19:36	#9
Jaivan Posts: n/a	Well I tried what DJay suggested and yes, improves the sounds but not that much. Besides Adjusting more to the Chipset speed improved a little the sound to. Alex: I was using just 68000 emulation, thus with no JIT settings available. With 68020 the sound is likely though, regardless the jit settings. Ryan: Maybe I should have stated that I'm a user interested at playing some old glories. I do not seek running Demos or tricky display effects. Anyway I find the Winuae politic of compatibility priority, I find it most respectable. But I'll stick to Winfellow to run Rick Dangerous This reminds me that I must buy a real amiga as fast as I can. Djay: Thank you for your suggestions.

05 June 2002, 13:42	#10
LUKas007 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Age: 45 Posts: 159	Yea, real Amiga rocks... No emu can be compared to a real hardware.

05 June 2002, 16:55	#11
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	@Jaivan. What O/S are you using? I'm guessing that,like me you are using Windows 98? The "choppy sound" has been a recurring issue for some time now. Apparently, most Win2K & XP users of the latest WinUAE's do not seem to experience any of these issues. Like Djay said,if you're interested in a fast,non-choppy sound version of WinUAE try either 08.8r8,or 08.8r9 that is available right here in "The Zone" tab,(Top right corner). Apparently the coder responsible for the old sound routine left the WinUAE dev. team after those releases, so a new sound routine was used. Still, to their credit, they've been attempting to correct things since 0821rX series started.

05 June 2002, 17:38	#12
Jaivan Posts: n/a	Windows 98 Indeed . Thank you for the info, now that I know they are trying to fix it I'm happy. I use w2000 at work but I prefer 98 since I still use some msdos based apps, like RealSpectrum for instance . I'll consider to install w2000 (never XP) provided that any of you claim that works better than with 98

21 June 2002, 19:56	#13
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 49 Posts: 1,706	Well I use windowsXP not to be the latest kid on the block! Its because it works better for me than 98/ME! I still have a dualboot system running 98se for old apps and dodgy games that wont run. Winuae works 100% with sound and picasso96 screen modes on my setup... the only problem i get is opengl wont work??? even tho my card is opengl and even listed as compatible with amithlon? I thinks its true about the 1ghz cpu thing with uae. We have two setups based around Amd athlons! one has a 1ghz cpu and the other has a 900mhz cpu which seems just a tad slower with sound on uae... This problem will go away completely (I hope) with all this new hardware thats coming in the next few months! Then we will see mega powerfull amiga's! wonder if the 68060 could be emulated? wishfull thinking LOL

25 June 2002, 19:28	#16
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	My friend runs the latest WinUAE on a K6-III 400, 128MB SDRAM and a sblive! with no problems in the sound department. He gets full speed emulation, full sound and no frame skip. It works 100% fine. With my Duron 933, I can get 400MIPS with JIT enabled and 12 MIPS disabled for the CPU. Overall emulation has games and demos running sweet, including the very intensive ones. I don't know what causes people to have these sound issues, but it's not lack of CPU power in most cases. I've seen people complain about this problem with the top rated intel/XP cpu's so it's something else causing the grief.

25 June 2002, 23:57	#17
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I'm still thinking the sound problem is the motherboard and conflicts between units. Earlier I had extreme problems with it, until I got an upgrade (faster CPU and new motherboard). Before that the problem could easily be solved by replacing the GeForce graphics card with a TNT2 graphics card. My guess (which isn't worth much) is that the units in the pc overload the bus. On not good motherboards this would pose a problem. For me it was also apparent when it kept losing connection to my USB devices as soon as I tried going over a certain speed.

26 June 2002, 16:43	#18
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	Hmm, but why then does the flakey sound issue only seems to be particulary apparent on Win9x, machines? Before I upgraded to a Geforce 3 card,I had a TNT card,& I was still experiencing patchy sound on releases after 08.8r8/9. Perhaps one of the WinUAE coders could enlighten us? BTW-Electroblaster, did you use an upgrade version of XP, & more to the point,is your Windows 98 version an OEM version? I've been debating about possibly getting XP home,but I had been a little unsure if you needed the retail version of Windows 98,(When the XP install will demand the old Win 98 disk for verification),or if a OEM version of Windows 98 is sufficient?

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