Aros m68k (Kickstart substitute) - Page 9

narud17 · 15 July 2011, 20:20

Hi can I ask a dumb question. How do you get this to work using WINUAE. If I boot uae from a1200 quickstart with the bootdisk-amiga-m68k inserted into dfo I get the loading boot aros.elf.gz for a few seconds and then I get a shell window. What do I need to do now or am I going completely in the wrong direction?. I'm no computer whizz just keen on learning things. Cheers.

Mequa · 15 July 2011, 21:00

I replaced all the AmigaOS files with AROS files in the AMOS for Windows distribution, and added a launcher icon. Included AROS ROM has also been updated.
I also added a zip archive portable version which does not require installation.
(Vairn, would you mind updating it and hosting both, since is still quite slow?)

http://www..com/?sharekey=lpckecw1ocy55

Toni Wilen · 15 July 2011, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by narud17

Hi can I ask a dumb question. How do you get this to work using WINUAE. If I boot uae from a1200 quickstart with the bootdisk-amiga-m68k inserted into dfo I get the loading boot aros.elf.gz for a few seconds and then I get a shell window. What do I need to do now or am I going completely in the wrong direction?. I'm no computer whizz just keen on learning things. Cheers.

arosbootstrap and rom images have been broken last few days. But if you are only going to use it in emulation and want to use latest ROM version: Set WinUAE "Main ROM file" = aros-amiga-m68k-rom.bin and "Extended ROM file" = aros-amiga-m68k-ext.bin.

arosbootstrap method is meant for easy real Amiga testing, no need to burn EPROMs etc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mequa

I replaced all the AmigaOS files with AROS files in the AMOS for Windows distribution, and added a launcher icon. Included AROS ROM has also been updated.
I also added a zip archive portable version which does not require installation.
(Vairn, would you mind updating it and hosting both, since is still quite slow?)

Remember that AROS ABIv1 is not finished yet, any AROS application can (and will!) become incompatible sooner or later without advance warning.

Mequa · 15 July 2011, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Remember that AROS ABIv1 is not finished yet, any AROS application can (and will!) become incompatible sooner or later without advance warning.

I'll bear that in mind for any new releases - for now it uses AROS-20110714-amiga-m68k-boot for the ROMs; and some commands, libraries, devices etc. from AROS-20110714-amiga-m68k-system.

Question: Is there a version of C:LoadWB provided in AROS-68k to boot into Workbook (when not using a full Wanderer install)? Or does that file have to be obtained from a real Workbench disk? (It's the only file I couldn't find a replacement for.)
I know Workbook isn't very complete, but I need LoadWB to demonstrate switching between AMOS and Workbook.

Vairn · 16 July 2011, 05:51

@Mequa: Check your PM boxie;

Anyway, 2 new links, we should probably move this to a new thread

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EXE
ZIP

Mequa · 16 July 2011, 12:01

An AMOS for Windows thread has now been created in the news forum.

Toni, one thing which doesn't seem to be working yet in AMOS under AROS is 3D extension. I enclose one of my AMOS 3D games as an autobooting (zipped) ADF file with WinUAE log files. Currently it reboots when using the AROS ROM. Does this look something difficult to fix?

P.S. AmigaBASIC demos (on WB Extras 1.3) seem to be working too with AROS-68k, as well as AMOS and Blitz now.
(But Microsoft AmigaBASIC was crap.)

narud17 · 16 July 2011, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

arosbootstrap and rom images have been broken last few days. But if you are only going to use it in emulation and want to use latest ROM version: Set WinUAE "Main ROM file" = aros-amiga-m68k-rom.bin and "Extended ROM file" = aros-amiga-m68k-ext.bin.

arosbootstrap method is meant for easy real Amiga testing, no need to burn EPROMs etc..

Remember that AROS ABIv1 is not finished yet, any AROS application can (and will!) become incompatible sooner or later without advance warning.

Thanks Toni all I was doing wrong was having the rom selection set to system rom files instead of all files.

Toni Wilen · 16 July 2011, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mequa

Toni, one thing which doesn't seem to be working yet in AMOS under AROS is 3D extension. I enclose one of my AMOS 3D games as an autobooting (zipped) ADF file with WinUAE log files. Currently it reboots when using the AROS ROM. Does this look something difficult to fix?

Something corrupts memory before the crash. Probably needs better test case to solve the problem.

Mequa · 16 July 2011, 16:34

Toni, if you launch my AMOS for Windows (from installer or zip download), select Project -> Load from drop-down menu then select AMOSPro_System:AMOS_3D_demos folder, there are a number of simple AMOS 3D demos.

They all load, edit, test (and even compile: menu User -> Compile) fine, it just resets when they attempt to run (interpreted or compiled). I could compile some simple 3D demos to Amiga executable/bootable ADF if that would be useful?

Typing an AMOS 3D instruction (e.g. "Td Cls" or ' Td Load "" ') into the editor and hitting RUN will bomb.

P.S. AROS 68k and x86 look well synced already: Desktop screenshot (full HD)

Is the AROS-68k ROM working under UAE for AROS-x86 yet? (If so, perhaps it could be built in?)

Toni Wilen · 16 July 2011, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mequa

Typing an AMOS 3D instruction (e.g. "Td Cls" or ' Td Load "" ') into the editor and hitting RUN will bomb.

I'll try (But AMOS and all other similar languages are something I want to touch too much..)

Quote:

Is the AROS-68k ROM working under UAE for AROS-x86 yet? (If so, perhaps it could be built in?)

No idea. Non-m68k AROS = don't care.

Toni Wilen · 21 July 2011, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mequa

Typing an AMOS 3D instruction (e.g. "Td Cls" or ' Td Load "" ') into the editor and hitting RUN will bomb.

Arghh.. AMOS calls dos.library/LoadSeg() with A6 pointing to ExecBase.. Some stupid workaround needed..

100E0C1C 41fa 0162 LEA.L (PC,$0162) == $100e0d80,A0 ; AMOS:AMOS_System/c3d.lib
100E0C20 2208 MOVE.L A0,D1
100E0C22 2c79 0000 0004 MOVEA.L $00000004,A6 ;eh?
100E0C28 206d 02b8 MOVEA.L (A5, $02b8) == $100b5d24,A0 ;dosbase, double eh?
100E0C2C 4ea8 ff6a JSR.L (A0, -$0096) ;LoadSeg

EDIT: fixed/patched library files attached if anyone cares..

27 July 2011, 11:55

@Toni:

What's the progress on Aros 68k ?

PS: Can you make this thread sticky, so that it is more easily noticeable ? Maybe even modifying the title a little bit so that people know we are talking about Aros 68k .

Toni Wilen · 27 July 2011, 13:22

Redesign of AROS boot model, it does not fit in AOS model. (3rd party autoboot ROMs and RDB filesystems are something that AROS didn't need to care etc.. It did work previously but it was too ugly)

-> Boot priorities and custom filesystems etc may work strangely until boot rewrite is finished. (Jason is doing this)

I implemented optional Enforcer-like MMU kernel debugging support recently (currently only working and tested with WinUAE 68040 MMU emulation but also supports 68030 and 68060, but only in theory at this point). This also detects early boot invalid accesses because it is rom built-in and starts very early.

I finally had good enough reason to learn 680x0 MMU programming

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Can you make this thread sticky

Can't do, I am only mod in WinUAE forum.

TCD · 27 July 2011, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Can't do, I am only mod in WinUAE forum.

Thread is sticky now. Someone suggest a more fitting title please.

27 July 2011, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Thread is sticky now. Someone suggest a more fitting title please.

How about: "Free & legal Kickstart ROM + Aros OS" ?
I know it's not the best title

Maybe someone's got a better one.

gilgamesh · 27 July 2011, 18:51

Aros m68k (Kickstart substitute) ?

TCD · 27 July 2011, 18:55

Changed for now until someone comes up with a better one

gilgamesh · 27 July 2011, 18:57

Let's play king of the hill.

Toni Wilen · 27 July 2011, 19:07

It also includes most WB programs and more but current name is fine with me

Mequa · 28 July 2011, 02:31

I was wondering if there are plans to include a replacement "Workbench disk" ADF which will boot into Workbook (not enough space for Wanderer on a floppy), but built from free/AROS-68k code, and perhaps including a few very lightweight applications?

I know AROS-68k ROM can boot original Workbench ADFs, but a free bootable ADF might also be a good idea (even if Workbook is still very limited at this stage).

P.S. Does there exist an open-source build of the "C:LoadWB" executable to launch Workbook under AROS-68k? (Of course this can be copied from an original Workbench disk, but an open-source build for AROS-68k Workbook might be a good idea too).

16 July 2011, 16:34	#169
Mequa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 497	Toni, if you launch my AMOS for Windows (from installer or zip download), select Project -> Load from drop-down menu then select AMOSPro_System:AMOS_3D_demos folder, there are a number of simple AMOS 3D demos. They all load, edit, test (and even compile: menu User -> Compile) fine, it just resets when they attempt to run (interpreted or compiled). I could compile some simple 3D demos to Amiga executable/bootable ADF if that would be useful? Typing an AMOS 3D instruction (e.g. "Td Cls" or ' Td Load "" ') into the editor and hitting RUN will bomb. P.S. AROS 68k and x86 look well synced already: Desktop screenshot (full HD) Is the AROS-68k ROM working under UAE for AROS-x86 yet? (If so, perhaps it could be built in?) Last edited by Mequa; 16 July 2011 at 18:13.

28 July 2011, 02:31	#180
Mequa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 497	I was wondering if there are plans to include a replacement "Workbench disk" ADF which will boot into Workbook (not enough space for Wanderer on a floppy), but built from free/AROS-68k code, and perhaps including a few very lightweight applications? I know AROS-68k ROM can boot original Workbench ADFs, but a free bootable ADF might also be a good idea (even if Workbook is still very limited at this stage). P.S. Does there exist an open-source build of the "C:LoadWB" executable to launch Workbook under AROS-68k? (Of course this can be copied from an original Workbench disk, but an open-source build for AROS-68k Workbook might be a good idea too). Last edited by Mequa; 28 July 2011 at 02:36.

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15 July 2011, 20:20	#161
narud17 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Leicester Age: 57 Posts: 117	Hi can I ask a dumb question. How do you get this to work using WINUAE. If I boot uae from a1200 quickstart with the bootdisk-amiga-m68k inserted into dfo I get the loading boot aros.elf.gz for a few seconds and then I get a shell window. What do I need to do now or am I going completely in the wrong direction?. I'm no computer whizz just keen on learning things. Cheers.

15 July 2011, 21:00	#162
Mequa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 497	I replaced all the AmigaOS files with AROS files in the AMOS for Windows distribution, and added a launcher icon. Included AROS ROM has also been updated. I also added a zip archive portable version which does not require installation. (Vairn, would you mind updating it and hosting both, since is still quite slow?) http://www..com/?sharekey=lpckecw1ocy55

16 July 2011, 05:51	#165
Vairn The Grim-Button Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Age: 43 Posts: 414	@Mequa: Check your PM boxie; Anyway, 2 new links, we should probably move this to a new thread . EXE ZIP

27 July 2011, 11:55	#172
amiga_user Posts: n/a	@Toni: What's the progress on Aros 68k ? PS: Can you make this thread sticky, so that it is more easily noticeable ? Maybe even modifying the title a little bit so that people know we are talking about Aros 68k .

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gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Aros m68k (Kickstart substitute) ?

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TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,625	Changed for now until someone comes up with a better one

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gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Let's play king of the hill.

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Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,520	It also includes most WB programs and more but current name is fine with me

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