Looking forward to the Vampire 4?

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

On WinUAE you can also overcome even higher resolution, see video

http://eab.abime.net/zone/Test-Doom.avi

yes but you completely miss the point

For me personal UAE is perfectly ok, I do not need "the real one" just to be happy. But many people prefer real amiga hardware. So despite WinUAE on a 3 GHz PC certainly is faster than a vampirized A600 it is not relevant.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

I had promised myself not to intervene, but then I read this, which is bad information:

"Have you seen the videos of A600’s with vampire installed? The performance is incredible.

I have a high end PC but never had that performance with WinUAE."

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I had promised myself not to intervene, but then I read this, which is bad information:

"Have you seen the videos of A600’s with vampire installed? The performance is incredible.

I have a high end PC but never had that performance with WinUAE."

that is of course nonsense. Or his "high end PC" has a serious problem. Or his UAE configuration is very bad. Difficult to know here. I would not have commented it at all.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by OlafSch

that is of course nonsense. Or his "high end PC" has a serious problem. Or his UAE configuration is very bad. Difficult to know here. I would not have commented it at all.

In fact, my intervention was only to correct bad information

[Welshieinnz]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I had promised myself not to intervene, but then I read this, which is bad information:

"Have you seen the videos of A600’s with vampire installed? The performance is incredible.

I have a high end PC but never had that performance with WinUAE."

No, the config was fine and running on a 980ti, i7 etc. but, as we know, WinUAE doesn’t take use of multi core CPU’s

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Welshieinnz

No, the config was fine and running on a 980ti, i7 etc. but, as we know, WinUAE doesn’t take use of multi core CPU’s

One is enough to fly, with an i7 and 64MB RAM on go on mars

[Welshieinnz]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

One is enough to fly, with an i7 and 64MB RAM on go on mars

Lol!

If you have any suggestions regarding what settings to put WinUAE on, drivers needed etc, I’d be more than happy to try!

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by ptyerman

@ Bruce Abbott
FPGA's was available back then but was far too expensive!
The first commercially available FPGA was the Xilinx XC2064 which hit the market in 1985.
Before that there was PROM and PLD devices which led to FPGA's.
Altera was founded in 1983 and delivered the industry's first reprogrammable logic device in 1984, the EP300. (Info taken from Wikipedia).

The EP300 was 'reprogrammable' like an EPROM (using a UV eraser and external programmer). While the XC2064 was technically an FPGA, it was nothing like the modern FGAs we use today. Configuration data was usually stored in onboard parallel EPROM, which was not programmable in-circuit. And it only had 64 logic blocks, the same as a typical CPLD.

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by swinkamor12

WinUAE is hundred times faster than vampire

Not on my PC it isn't. With CPU emulation speed set to fastest possible AIBB says it's running at 70MHz and the Dhrystone test is 12.5 times faster than a stock A600. In comparison, AIBB thinks my Vampire'd 600 is running at 2509MHz, and the Dhrystone test is 93 times faster. So that means the Vampire is going ~27 times faster than WinUAE on my PC.

Now granted my PC isn't the fastest - it only has a Pentium D running at 2.8GHz. According to PassMark an I7-8700k @3.7GHz is 27 times faster than my CPU. But the Vampire is 27 times faster too, which suggests an i7 would only just match its speed. So where does this magical 'hundred times faster' come from?

[kolla]

Originally Posted by Welshieinnz

If you have any suggestions regarding what settings to put WinUAE on

First thing to do, obviously, is to turn off any "cycle exact" options.

[meynaf]

Originally Posted by Bruce Abbott

Not on my PC it isn't. With CPU emulation speed set to fastest possible AIBB says it's running at 70MHz and the Dhrystone test is 12.5 times faster than a stock A600. In comparison, AIBB thinks my Vampire'd 600 is running at 2509MHz, and the Dhrystone test is 93 times faster. So that means the Vampire is going ~27 times faster than WinUAE on my PC.

Now granted my PC isn't the fastest - it only has a Pentium D running at 2.8GHz. According to PassMark an I7-8700k @3.7GHz is 27 times faster than my CPU. But the Vampire is 27 times faster too, which suggests an i7 would only just match its speed. So where does this magical 'hundred times faster' come from?

Try setting winuae to max speed AND activate JIT.
If you haven't upgraded DirectX then try windowed mode rather than fullscreen (or the other way around) as DX7 can mess up the performance completely.

On my i7 4710hq, Dhrystone test says 2,6 million and most values get out of range.
I can assemble a 4MB source code with Phxass in less than 1 second on this config. I doubt vampire cards can even get close to that...

[Marlon_]

Could some mod step in and move the whole UAE is better than Vampire discussion somewhere else? It's very off topic...

[Aladin]

a game that run on winuae is much faster that the same game on his windows version?
why use winuae....

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by Marlon_

Could some mod step in and move the whole UAE is better than Vampire discussion somewhere else? It's very off topic...

Sure, you guys give me the exact post that need moving and I'll do this...

[puppypc]

Originally Posted by DamienD

Sure, you guys give me the exact post that need moving and I'll do this...

I'd say 116-127, 130-131 for sure.

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by Marlon_

Could some mod step in and move the whole UAE is better than Vampire discussion somewhere else? It's very off topic...

No, it's quite relevant. The OP says that the Vampire 4 "looks like an incredible piece of kit! Whether you want it as an accelerator or a stand-alone, it's going to be pretty exciting". But others say it's a hundred times slower than WinUAE on a PC and therefore not so exciting. Why would anyone be interested in a device that costs more than a PC and is 100 times slower?

Originally Posted by meynaf

Try setting winuae to max speed AND activate JIT.

Originally Posted by kolla

First thing to do, obviously, is to turn off any "cycle exact" options.

So to get the speed you have to compromise compatibility? Hmmm. The Vampire is starting to look attractive again!

Originally Posted by meynaf

On my i7 4710hq, Dhrystone test says 2,6 million

Thanks for that. My Vampire gets 147,753 Dhrystones, so according to AIBB your PC is 17.6 times faster. And I only have Gold core 2.5 in my Vampire so it's not going as fast as it could.

[Gorf]

All simple benchmarks with enabled JIT are highly unreliable due to the nature of a optimizing JIT.
To test the actual speed one would have to compare real workload with real applications.

No question: WinUAE on a high-end PC will still be faster, but it will also consume much more power.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Gorf

No question: WinUAE on a high-end PC will still be faster, but it will also consume much more power.

This is normal more power plus energy consumed, JIT is fabulous and indispensable, you can not run a modern system AMiGA like AfA-OS or Amikit without FPU and without JIT.

[Gorf]

JIT is great - you just have to be careful if you use it for benchmarks like Sysspeed or AIBB.

The Vampire does have a FPU. And you can run your full fletched Workbench with AfA etc. an it. Without JIT ;-)

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Gorf

The Vampire does have a FPU. And you can run your full fletched Workbench with AfA etc. an it. Without JIT ;-)

Are you sure? i do not think so, you're probably using Femu (but it does not work well with AfA-OS), i have not yet seen a Vampire that installs AfA-OS, AFA-WB, Amikit8 or AmikitX

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge...1&x=1&z=yVTFxa