Playing NTSC games through WinUAE

DamienD · 08 June 2006, 19:55

Hey guys,

I was wondering if anybody can help me out?

I'm trying to test Out of this World which I believe is an NTSC game.

Just a few quick questions relating to testing NTSC games in WinUAE...

1) What kickstart do I need to use? Kickstart v1.0 (A1000)(NTSC).rom or Kickstart v1.1 (A1000)(NTSC) rev 31.34.rom or is the standard Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom ok?

2) From under Hardware --> Chipset, do I need to tick NTSC from under Chipset Type?

Here's what I've tried so far:

a) Using normal Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom and ticking NTSC, I can finish the first level. I'm then asked for disk 2, it starts loading but then stops...

b) Using Kickstart v1.0 (A1000)(NTSC).rom and ticking NTSC, the game doesn't even load to the protection screen...

c) Once when using Kickstart v1.1 (A1000)(NTSC) rev 31.34.rom and ticking NTSC, I could finish the first level. I'm then asked for disk 2 and level 2 did load sucessfully. However, now when I try the same config again the game doesn't even load to the protection screen...

Toni Wilen · 08 June 2006, 20:52

KS 1.0 and 1.1 had separate PAL and NTSC versions. 1.2 and later support both.

NTSC-checkbox checked and KS 1.3 should equal NTSC A500.

demoniac · 08 June 2006, 20:55

Yes, use either KS1.2 or 1.3 w/ NTSC checkboxed.

DamienD · 08 June 2006, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

KS 1.0 and 1.1 had separate PAL and NTSC versions. 1.2 and later support both.

NTSC-checkbox checked and KS 1.3 should equal NTSC A500.

Cheers for the information Toni, much appreciated

Hmmm, I wonder why when using Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom + ticking NTSC the game stops loading after disk 2 is inserted? Off to test some more...

Belgarath · 08 June 2006, 21:14

Have you tried it with Cycle Exact on? Also it might be a dodgy second disk.

DamienD · 08 June 2006, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarath

Have you tried it with Cycle Exact on? Also it might be a dodgy second disk.

I'm using the exact same config as I used with Another World (except NTSC ticked of course). Cycle Exact is on

Yeah I thought it may be a dodgy Disk 2 but once I when using one of the NTSC kickstarts I was able to load Level 2 successfully

DamienD · 08 June 2006, 22:12

Hmmm, I'm using Quickstart Amiga 500 / Amiga 2000 but changed the following:

... Cycle exact CPU and blitter.
... Only 1 disk drive.
... 640x480 / full screen / scanlines.

Bad news... When playing the CPU: runs at 120% virtually all the time

Switched off full screen and the game runs between 40% - 80%

I usually use full screen on PAL games without any issues, any ideas why using full screen with NTSC is sending the CPU crazy

Finally, I am still unable to get the game to load Level 2 successfully

demoniac, do you want to have a try and see if you can get to Level 2?

demoniac · 09 June 2006, 00:37

I'll give it a shot next week as I'll be busy this weekend.

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 18:55

Hmmm, just tried playing Dyna Blaster in WinUAE...

Basically, only one of the cracked versions of this game has a PAL fix "Dyna Blaster (1991)(Hudson Soft)[cr VF][T + 11 ZNT].adf" but unfortunately it also has the cheats enabled by default. See this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21217

I thought I may as well try the .ipf file and change my config to NTSC (from under Hardware --> Chipset, tick NTSC from under Chipset Type)...

Unfortunately I have the same issue that I had with Out of this World i.e. when Full Screen is selected the CPU goes crazy... It sits at 138%

If I untick Full Screen the games runs normally.

What am I doing wrong? Can anybody help me out with running NTSC .adf games through WinUAE without having the CPU go through the roof

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Hmmm, just tried playing Dyna Blaster in WinUAE...

Basically, only one of the cracked versions of this game has a PAL fix "Dyna Blaster (1991)(Hudson Soft)[cr VF][T + 11 ZNT].adf" but unfortunately it also has the cheats enabled by default. See this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21217

I thought I may as well try the .ipf file and change my config to NTSC (from under Hardware --> Chipset, tick NTSC from under Chipset Type)...

Unfortunately I have the same issue that I had with Out of this World i.e. when Full Screen is selected the CPU goes crazy... It sits at 138%

If I untick Full Screen the games runs normally.

What am I doing wrong? Can anybody help me out with running NTSC .adf games through WinUAE without having the CPU go through the roof

Try the NTSC 60 Hz monitor mode for Dynablaster and all is fine. No need for use the NTSC chipset setting.

Edit: Even with NTSC chipset setting only on the Vision Factory crack the game works with a proper sound.

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Try the NTSC 60 Hz monitor mode for Dynablaster and all is fine. No need for use the NTSC chipset setting.

Maybe I'm being stupid (not the first time) but I don't understand what you mean? How do I set NTSC 60 Hz monitor mode?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Edit: Even with NTSC chipset setting only on the Vision Factory crack the game works with a proper sound.

Hmmm, the VF .adf quoted above works fine with sound using PAL settings. The problem is that the silly cheat is enabled automatically even though I turn everything off in the trainer (must be set through the "code")... This is no fun to play when you always start with maximum bomb length

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Maybe I'm being stupid (not the first time) but I don't understand what you mean? How do I set NTSC 60 Hz monitor mode?

Yes, but it has the silly cheat enabled. This is no fun when you play with maximum bomb length

I guess you can't play the IPF, because you don't have the 4-player adaptor. It works like a copy protection for this game. All cracked versions without the PAL fix should run fine with 60 Hz NTSC mode. You can choose it in the display settings, right next to the color depth. Untick the Vsync for this game.

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I guess you can't play the IPF, because you don't have the 4-player adaptor. It works like a copy protection for this game.

No, I can play the .ipf but this suffers from the sound issue when in PAL mode.

When using NTSC mode (from under Hardware --> Chipset, tick NTSC from under Chipset Type) I cannot get Full Screen to work without the CPU going crazy

This is what I would really like a solution to as it affects Out of this World also

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

All cracked versions without the PAL fix should run fine with 60 Hz NTSC mode. You can choose it in the display settings, right next to the color depth. Untick the Vsync for this game.

I never tick Vsync...

Where is this option in display settings? I've searched in WinUAE + the settings for my graphics card but with no luck... A screenshot would be nice since I'm being a retard

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 19:39

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 19:50

I don't understand. Your screenshot is in German... (joking my friend)

How did I miss that, trying now

I guess I should try this with Out of this World also hey

Off Topic but... Germany is winning 4 - 2

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

I don't understand. Your screenshot is in German... (joking my friend)

How did I miss that, trying now

Off Topic but... German is winning 3 - 2

4 - 2 for germany

. The 60 hz setting should work.

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 19:55

I would have thought so to

Bad news though...

Even with that setting selected I still have the issue with sound when using the .ipf file

Also tried ticking NTSC but made no difference

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Hmmm, bad news...

Even with that setting selected I still have the issue with sound when using the .ipf file

Also tried ticking NTSC but made no difference

50 frames per second? 60 Hz, no Vsync? This MUST work, i read it somewhere and it works fine.

Edit: Even in 100 PAL WITHOUT VSYNC it work fine.

DamienD · 09 June 2006, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

50 frames per second? 60 Hz, no Vsync? This MUST work, i read it somewhere and it works fine.

Not for me it doesn't

Have you tried yourself?

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2006, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Not for me it doesn't

Have you tried yourself?

Yes, no problems here. Only with the Vsync ON there are problems with the sound. Work it in 100 Hz PAL?

Edit: Maybe you have a permanent Vsync settings in your graphic cards driver?

08 June 2006, 19:55	#1
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Playing NTSC games through WinUAE Hey guys, I was wondering if anybody can help me out? I'm trying to test Out of this World which I believe is an NTSC game. Just a few quick questions relating to testing NTSC games in WinUAE... 1) What kickstart do I need to use? Kickstart v1.0 (A1000)(NTSC).rom or Kickstart v1.1 (A1000)(NTSC) rev 31.34.rom or is the standard Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom ok? 2) From under Hardware --> Chipset, do I need to tick NTSC from under Chipset Type? Here's what I've tried so far: a) Using normal Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom and ticking NTSC, I can finish the first level. I'm then asked for disk 2, it starts loading but then stops... b) Using Kickstart v1.0 (A1000)(NTSC).rom and ticking NTSC, the game doesn't even load to the protection screen... c) Once when using Kickstart v1.1 (A1000)(NTSC) rev 31.34.rom and ticking NTSC, I could finish the first level. I'm then asked for disk 2 and level 2 did load sucessfully. However, now when I try the same config again the game doesn't even load to the protection screen...

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08 June 2006, 20:52	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	KS 1.0 and 1.1 had separate PAL and NTSC versions. 1.2 and later support both. NTSC-checkbox checked and KS 1.3 should equal NTSC A500.

08 June 2006, 20:55	#3
demoniac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,687	Yes, use either KS1.2 or 1.3 w/ NTSC checkboxed.

08 June 2006, 21:14	#5
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	Have you tried it with Cycle Exact on? Also it might be a dodgy second disk.

08 June 2006, 22:12	#7
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Hmmm, I'm using Quickstart Amiga 500 / Amiga 2000 but changed the following: ... Cycle exact CPU and blitter. ... Only 1 disk drive. ... 640x480 / full screen / scanlines. Bad news... When playing the CPU: runs at 120% virtually all the time Switched off full screen and the game runs between 40% - 80% I usually use full screen on PAL games without any issues, any ideas why using full screen with NTSC is sending the CPU crazy Finally, I am still unable to get the game to load Level 2 successfully demoniac, do you want to have a try and see if you can get to Level 2?

09 June 2006, 00:37	#8
demoniac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,687	I'll give it a shot next week as I'll be busy this weekend.

09 June 2006, 18:55	#9
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Hmmm, just tried playing Dyna Blaster in WinUAE... Basically, only one of the cracked versions of this game has a PAL fix "Dyna Blaster (1991)(Hudson Soft)[cr VF][T + 11 ZNT].adf" but unfortunately it also has the cheats enabled by default. See this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21217 I thought I may as well try the .ipf file and change my config to NTSC (from under Hardware --> Chipset, tick NTSC from under Chipset Type)... Unfortunately I have the same issue that I had with Out of this World i.e. when Full Screen is selected the CPU goes crazy... It sits at 138% If I untick Full Screen the games runs normally. What am I doing wrong? Can anybody help me out with running NTSC .adf games through WinUAE without having the CPU go through the roof

09 June 2006, 19:39	#14
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438

09 June 2006, 19:50	#15
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I don't understand. Your screenshot is in German... (joking my friend) How did I miss that, trying now I guess I should try this with Out of this World also hey Off Topic but... Germany is winning 4 - 2

09 June 2006, 19:55	#17
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I would have thought so to Bad news though... Even with that setting selected I still have the issue with sound when using the .ipf file Also tried ticking NTSC but made no difference

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